GZ, what's your point? that some religions are allowed implausible beliefs, but others are not?
why not pick on the many fine christians on this thread in exactly the same manner?

Dear Keysar.... I wish to draw your attention to just 2 points this time.

1/ You said in an earlier post as follows:

"God, the Only God, spoke the Holy Qur`an."

Now.. maybe I'm missing something here, but.. that sounds rather 'fundamentalist' to me :).. if you believe they are the 'very words of Allah'... then.. I find myself rather amazed that you then repudiate those words which I quote to you such as: (9:30 variously translated by Muslims)

"they are deluded, perverse, away from truth, Allah fights against them, May Allah destroy them" (Jews and Christians.. 9:30)

The difficulty here is.. that even IN context, the 'Christians' who Allah is at war with are..."THOSE WHO BELIEVE CHRIST IS THE SON OF GOD"....now..sorry for all the caps ... but this point is being lost on you. I.. ME.. my family, my Church, my fellow evangelical Christians,all Catholics.. do, as true Christians have done since the Lord Himself delcared it..believe absolutely, utterly, finally and completely in the Sonship of Christ....and your holy book condemns us..for that!

I hope you gain a tiny insight there.. as to just how FAR apart are Islam and Christianity..and WHY we are so adamant that Islam is a false religion, given that it not only denies the Sonship of Christ but also declares WAR on those to believe it.

2/ Planks and Specks.

In context...

a) Who spoke those words?
b) To whom did he speak them?
c) What was he alluding to?

He was referring to those coming into the Kingdom of God!
Jesus was the speaker..addressing those he called into the kingdom.
He was referring to interpersonal relationships IN...that kingdom.
He was saying "If you are my family, you must not judge each other in a petty way.. you all have faults"

That same Lord Jesus also condemned false teachers and those who rejected the Gospel(after undeniable proof) .. was He playing 'planks and specks' ? NO! he was 'judging' religious falsehood and carnality.

So, His example I follow.
I don't feel this is 'self consuming hate'...rather obedience to my Lord.

Boaz,

You said:

FH found me totally different in person than here.. so, I suggest you liase with him about how much 'hate' I dwell on :)

Honestly you are a puzzle: I agree that in person you seem like a nice tolerant person. I am not sure why you become a 'different person in here'. You also seem to be self aware that you have 2 personalities one 'in here' and the other is 'in person'.

Over the last 3 years, I can summarize the issues of communicating with you in the following 2 points:

- Even though you say you read a lot, you seem incapable of acquiring any new learning. The sole purpose of reading is learning, unlearning, re-learning. Makes me wonder why do you bother reading anything about theology at all if all you do is parroting and re-parroting what you were taught as a young missionary.

Here is a challenge:
Can you name a single 'thing' tha you managed to relearn about Islam from interacing with me and few other Muslims on OLO?

I can list tens of learnings.

- I will assume that you want to be a good missionary and want followers. Using what you did on OLO for the last years, you are not doing a good job. Why don't you practice what you preach by telling other how beautiful your faith is without throwing mud on others? Do you see any other faith follower on this forum doing that?

Regarding your comments re the prophet of Islam, any Muslim knows by heart that prophet Mohammed was subject to vicious and malicious character assassination attempts throughout history. Cheer growth of Islam and Muslims proves its failure.
Like any other religion, Islam is here to stay Boaz. Live with it instead of aggravating yourself and others.

Peace,

FH

Boaz, you overwhelm us with monotonous repetitiveness, surely you can learn and move on. I already advised you, the Mufti describes the entirety of Sura 9 as a historic record relating to a certain breach of treaty by the non-Muslims. As for the verse that deals with domestic violence, its purpose is to stop domestic violence by telling the man that he has to seek counselling first. This gives the wife plenty of opportunity to leave or get support if she feels that her husband is going down the path of violence.

Boaz, If God is saying that He is offended by the allegation of begetting a child, who are we to challenge Him? Then I ask, which child is more begotten than Christ? The Bible attributes many sons to God as follows:
Luke 3:38 names Adam as a son of god, Exodus 4:22 names Jacob, Jeremiah 41:9 names Ephraim, Psalms 2:7 names David, and Genesis 6: 2 & 4 names all men as sons of god.
Romans 8:14 names all who are led by the spirit as “sons of god”.

God is perfect, independent of gender, does not beget and is not begotten.

StevenImeyer, I was hoping that you would google Keith Moore yourself, here are two of many links that should hopefully answer your questions, one indicates that he published 50 academic papers, his name comes up under some journals, but I could not establish whether he is being quoted by others or had his own paper:
http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1552-6909.1974.tb00577.x?prevSearch=authorsfield%3A%28keith+moore%29
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Clinically-Oriented-Anatomy-Keith-Moore/dp/0683061410
http://www.thisistruth.org/

Thank you CJMorgan, BB and FH.

I am going to leave you with the words of Goethe, an intellectual giant who I am told embraced Islam:

Quoted in T.P. Hughes' Dictionary of Islam, p. 526:
"However often we turn to it [the Qur'an] at first disgusting us each time afresh, it soon attracts, astounds, and in the end enforces our reverence...Its style, in accordance with its contents and aim is stern, grand, terrible – ever and anon truly sublime – Thus this book will go on exercising through all ages a most potent influence."

Love and best wishes.

Keysar,

You have not provided a shred of evidence that Mohammad had met angel Gabriel.
Are you trying still ?? It shouldn't take this long.

It is quite alright to tell us:
(1) No, Mohammad never proved that he met with an angel from God.
(2) You are not able to provide an evidence of such a meeting.

Do you have the courage to admit this ??

Don't you worry about Boaz, stevenmeyer or anyone. You have a far bigger problem in your face:

<< Islam's foundation is based on Mohammad's lies >>

Bushbasher,
There is no requirement that if I challange Islam then I must also challenge all other religions.

GZ, that is true. you don't HAVE to attack other religions for similarly implausible beliefs. but can't you see that it appears very strange that you don't? you don't think mine is a natural question to ask?

you repeatedly bombard K trad with questions, in the most aggressive manner, presumably expecting him to respond. i politely ask you one question and you think it reasonable to dismiss my question out of hand?