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A genuine secular democracy would not be so insecure : Comments

By Keysar Trad, published 9/5/2008

We should be able to present arguments in defence of our faith and also our point of view, even if this is unpopular.

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"Shut_up_and_go_away"? Only in your rather surreal twilight zone mind Pericles.

May God reach into your own heart. His words were couched in "please share more" tones. I couldn't 'go away', I was at our stand..he came to us.

As Paul said:

<<Brothers, my heart's desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is that they may be saved. 2For I can testify about them that they are zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge. 3Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God's righteousness. 4Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.>>

Dear F.H. I've never referred to any hadith which are not 'sahih'... i.e. those accepted by Bukhari and Muslim.

On Hitler? gooood grief man.. you should know 'politics' He only ever got 37% of the vote in a conservative Christian country. (thus, he would say anything to improve his vote rating)

Pericles is blissfully unaware of how Islam regards "Shirk".. and you know as well as I that in Islam, this is called "The Ultimate Crime."

http://www.allaahuakbar.net/SHIRK/crime.htm

<<Murder, rape, child molesting and genocide. These are all some of the appalling crimes which occur in our world today. Many would think that these are the worst possible offenses which could be committed. But there is something which outweighs all of these crimes put together: It is the crime of shirk.>>

PERICLES...that's based on 9:30 and 19:88 (quoted below)

88. They say: "((Allah)) Most Gracious has begotten a son!"
89. Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous!
90. At it the skies are ready to burst, the earth to split asunder, and the mountains to fall down in utter ruin,
91. That they should invoke a son for ((Allah)) Most Gracious.

So, you might ask how this belief..this statement in the source recognized by FH himself as the 'ultimate source' of Islamic belief, might translate into 'popular behavior/attitude' towards Christians in places where Islam holds sway?

Do you get it yet?
Posted by BOAZ_David, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 7:15:51 AM
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It is very difficult to work out which of your posts to believe, Boaz.

Should I believe this one...

>>At the MindBodySpirit festival, I rocked up to the 'Islam' stand... In the end, he requested of me some 'final words' so I gave him a doxology type statement<<

or this one

>>His words were couched in "please share more" tones. I couldn't 'go away', I was at our stand..he came to us<<

Or perhaps - now here's a thought - perhaps I should believe neither?

Did you actually attend the MindBodySpirit festival?

Did you actually engage these jovial fellows from the Islam stand?

Because, let's face it Boaz, "forgetting" whether they joined you at your stand or you approached them on theirs is hardly credible in itself, is it?

So, would you like to get it all off your chest, and tell us the true story? Because right now, I cannot bring myself to believe one single word of it.

If you'd like some light relief, you might care also to pop along to the wreckage of your "let's look for an objective interpretation of religious text" thread.

Your contributions are being deeply missed.
Posted by Pericles, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 8:51:09 AM
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Hi there Perilous.. I don't have email alerts set for this thread, I thought it had run it's course.

Here is the Chronology of the MBS event.

1/ I approached the Islam stand, and chatted with some of the blokes there.
2/ I returned to our stand.
3/ One from their stand then (later) came to ours, where he asked me to share the Gospel.

Got it now ? :)

cheers.
Posted by BOAZ_David, Tuesday, 17 June 2008 6:58:28 AM
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Boaz.

>>1/ I approached the Islam stand, and chatted with some of the blokes there.
2/ I returned to our stand.
3/ One from their stand then (later) came to ours, where he asked me to share the Gospel.<<

Yeah, right.

Silly me.

I only you had one shred of credibility left.
Posted by Pericles, Tuesday, 17 June 2008 10:44:05 AM
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