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Now it seems some posters are trying to claim Israel does work to help refugees and prevent genocide. I'm sure they do: but not enough to give back some of the US$3 billion (plus armaments) in aid it receives each year. Not enough to stop Pol Pot, not enought to stop Rwanda, not enought to stop Bosnia. Here we have one of the wealthiest countries in the world receiving more than half of the largest aid budget in the world each year, that has received tens of billions in US loans (that don't require being payed back), not to mention the billions in reparations from Germany and other European countries, yet they're trying to tell me Israel cares about poor people and call me a 'hater'.

Some people have no shame.

There has never been a Palestinian nation.

The Arab Palestinian national movement began in the 1960s. Prior to that Arabs living in Palestine identified themselves as South Syrian or simply as Arabs.

Before World War I, most Arab states didn't exist - look at any map of the Middle East of the late 19th/early 20th century. Self-interested colonialist powers, with pen and ruler drew up current states, without any deference to the peoples forced within these artificial borders.

These powers ignored both history and contemporary events, forcing disparate peoples with long standing enmities, even hatreds, to live together. The horrors witnessed in Iraq are due to this. Colonialists also sliced off part of Iran to include with Iraq.

More bloodshed has occurred within and between these artificially created Arab states than has occurred between Arab states and Israel.

Colonial British interests sank the Faisal-Weizmann Agreement, signed January 3, 1919, which would have seen two separate states, an Arab state and a Jewish state living in harmony and in mutual support.

The UN mandate for Israel, could be seen as the only honest action in the Middle East in the past 100 years.

dane where do you get your information? Israel is already a true liberal democracy along western lines. Every Arab, every Christian, Baha'i Druze have an equal vote with Jews. There are elected Arab MPs in the Parliament, there is an Arab cabinet minister.

There is absolutely no law in Israel forbidding intermarriages. Arabs are not compelled to serve in the armed forces, but may volunteer to do so and indeed some do. Nor are they banned from important positions. I repeat, there is an Arab Cabinet Minister.

You talk about Israeli death squads - Arabs attacked ancient established Jewish communities to force them out of their homelands before the establishment of the Jewish state. Jerusalem had a majority Jewish population through the 19th century, armed Arab mobs tried to kill them and drive them out. You ignore all of that. When the Israelis try to defend themselves you accuse them of death squads.

When you believe and promote half truths like these against Israel is it unreasonable for us to suspect that you may be motivated by hatred? If not hatred, what is it? Why do you not answer comments about the disappearance of non-Muslims from Arabic Palestine, why Bethlehem no longer has a Christian majority? Why Baha'i, Druze and Samaritans resettled in Israel. Deathly silence about all of that.

The State of Israel...will ensure complete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants irrespective of religion, race or sex; it will guarantee freedom of religion, conscience, language, education and culture; it will safeguard the Holy Places of all religions; and it will be faithful to the principles of the Charter of the United Nations.
-- Israel's Declaration of Independence

Source: "The Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel," Ministry of Foreign Affairs Web site, May 14, 1948

www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Peace%20Process/Guide%20to%20the%20Peace%20Process/Declaration%20of%20Establishment%20of%20State%20of%20Israel

Do Fatah, Hamas, Iran, the Taliban or Saudi Arabia have similar clauses in their declarations?

Logic, Israel also promised the UN in 1947 that they would accept 56% of the land in exchange for treating the natives with respect and so on. In 1948 they spent 6 months ethnically cleansing nearly 800,000 people from the land.

Now will you people stop mouthing the stupid zionist crap from wikipedia and go off and read some real reports and books about this pissant little non-state and then get back to us.

As to the rest of it - judaism is a silly cult no different to any other and I for one and sick to death of jews constantly shoving their nonsense down the throats of the rest of the world.

Kapeesh?

There are 14 million of you - go and talk to each other.

Marilyn, the irony in your demand for OLO posters to "get back to us" on this issue is delicious! How long have we been waiting for you to "get back to us" on numerous issues? (see the above posts for several challenges to Marilyn to respond to specific questions)

If you possessed any kind of character you'd be big enough to admit that several of your statements on here have been completely and utterly false. One simple example - you said "I see that the Israeli's have denied entry to Jimmy Carter". I pointed out that this was absolute rubbish and Carter is currently in Israel as we speak. Your response - complete silence. Others admit when they have made factual errors. Why can't you?

Your approach to this topic is dishonest and unbalanced (eg. constant ranting against the Jewish religion but nothing about the far greater dangers associated with radical Islam). When challenged to back up your views you run and hide, returning later with more rubbish on completely unrelated issues. Pathetic really.

My rant is over. Let's wait with bated breath for Marilyn's next one...