90 years after women got the vote a 50+ year old woman in a modest one piece bathing suit is subjected to a sad case masterbating in front of her in a beach side park in broad daylight. No - women still don't have equality.

In the 1920s middle class women didn't work by the 1960s women who worked got 66% of the male wage for doing the same job. By 1980 women had to contribute to superannuation the same as men. Statistics show that the average full time female wage is still 67% of the average male wage. Women generally have to be better qualified than men to do the same status job.

Yes, culturally many women play the victim rather than admitting that as a sentient human being they took a particular cause of action because it was the most sensible.

Billie,
There is a big difference between work carried out by men and women. In the town of Bowen in Nth QLD, house prices have risen nearly 300% in 5 years, due mainly to the opening up of nearby coal fields in the Bowen Basin, but very few women apply to work in coal mines (particularly underground mines).

There are very few women learning trade work or applying for trade jobs, and there are high wages being earnt in some of those jobs at present, although the work can be very demanding, and most of it is not carried out in air-conditioning with carpet underfoot.

So far as feminist propaganda that women were oppressed in past times, a group of art historians began studying the artworks contained in houses during earlier times. They found that the most expensive item in an average house in Europe during the 17th century, was the clothes in the women’s wardrobe.

Doesn’t seem like oppression to me.

I put it to you guys that unpaid domestic work isn't unpaid at all.

In a marriage I understand that it is the wife who decides which house to buy and influences what car the family will have. She will spend around 80% of the family budget.

Now most married blokes except those who are high income earners will realise that before marriage there was money in the wallet, and getting married moved the money from his wallet into hers.

Children are expensive, and after children there is much less money to go around.

Now if a bloke remained single and didn't father any children, he doesn't need a 3 or 4 bedroom house, or the SUV. And the utilities bill remains low.

Sure there are wide variations between mothers/wives who do not work, do part-time work to full time work. There was a research article which showed that women wanted full-time work for men.

Children do create a lot of house work, where as a single bloke might have to use the washing machine once a week, with children this can be a daily occurance.

Billie your example of the person who was masturbating is not an example of inequality, it is possible that this man is either mentally ill or has an acquired brain injury, frontal lobe injuries disinhibit people.

Just ask any nurse who works in on a neuro ward or in a brain injury unit.

Rehctub here
Sorry for the last bit of my previous post, it will make sense when you read this one….

And lastly to all you man haters who are waiting for someone to take the bait.

I think there are vast differences between women and men and always should be. After all, opposites attract!

This does not make men better than women or women better than men. The truth is that there will always be tasks and jobs that are better performed by either women or men. It is just that you ‘man hating feminists’ out there can’t leave well enough alone.

The sad part about all this is that by your very actions you are depriving many women of what I consider to be their rightful privileges, that being to be treated like a lady, by a gentleman.

Furthermore, I think you should have some type of a mark or sign so that the gentlemen among us can identify and avoid you while at the same time continue to show our respect for the women out there who don’t think that nature needs a hand to alter our body chemistry and who actually appreciate it when a gentleman opens a door, waits his turn or puts himself out for a lady.

Now if that’s ‘crawling from behind a rock’ then I am proud to be a ‘rock dweller’!

p.s. As for women having accumilated more wealth than men this is as a result of 'assett hiding', just look at the recent HIA fellows case, or the Allen Bond's of the world. Please do not try to score cheap shots.

Desipis said: "If feminists are seeking equality, should they be pushing to have women to become as career focused as men, or should they be pushing to have men become more life focused?"

I have no idea if this a serious question or if I'm just going to cop a bollocking, but here goes. Feminists are seeking what all civil rights group seek, for everyone - men and women - to have the most freedom possible within the boundaries of culture. What is important for both sexes is not whether you choose to focus on your career or on your family, but that you are free to build the life you want. One definition of a happy marriage, in my opinion, is when both partners are doing what they want in terms of the work/life balance and supporting their partners to do what they want. My partner and I have both committed to taking the onus of earning the rent money on if the other needs to do something else with their life for a while. (Including child-rearing, but also solo work projects.) We're never going to be rich this way, but the idea is to be happy.

In short, if we fight for equality - things like paid parental leave and access to child care - then both men and women can be more free to fulfill their goals. I think. No doubt you blokes will have a hundred reasons why I'm wrong and a d!ckhead, and I'm sure you're right, but that's what I reckon.

James, I agree with you about the public masturbator, but I'm not sure what you're on about with unpaid domestic work. Of course marriage and children are expensive, and both men and women are free to marry or not marry, to have kids or not have kids.

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I believe the answer is not for women to want the same things out of life as men but for men to start wanting the same things as women - then we might find a better balance for everyone. We need to be convincing men that spending more time with families and the community is a worthwhile experience. Workplaces will then become more family friendly which will open doors for all - women and men - who wish for more equality in the workplace. The lack of equality is not so much between men and women as between childless workaholics or those married to "doormats" and the rest of us.