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Fair go for women : Comments

By Kellie Tranter, published 7/3/2008

Women who speak out for equal rights - the same rights, not special rights - are often described as being 'man-haters', or worse.

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Well said Kellie.
Pretty simple isn't it?
Respect and be nice to each other, equal pay for equal work, equality in the work place,and don't lock up and demonise refugees.
We should try and get this society to the point that all within have a fair chance of developing and reaching their potential.
By the way what is a career?
Careers seem to perform a number of functions. Not all of them nice, some seem unecessarily exclusionist and some quite selfish.
I like to help keep the house clean, the garden neat and hopefully thriving because I happen to live in that space with my wife and kids.
Bruce Haigh
Posted by Bruce Haigh, Saturday, 8 March 2008 6:21:42 PM
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...annnnd..here it comes :)

It’s a bloody disgrace!

Describing the beautiful role of nurturing little defenseless babies in such callous terms as 'unpaid domestic work' is probably one of the most insulting, demeaning, ungodly, manipulative, and destructive attacks on gender equality you can find.

ALL those statistics (relateing to the home) are solved in one sentense:

"Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the Church, and gave Himself up for her"

If we taught that VALUE to our men,.. and re-structured our culture to actually re-inforce it.... there would be probably zero whining, or moaning or claims of unfairness.

PRESUPPOSITION. yes.. there is a HUGE one underlying the statistics provided...and that is 'women and men are the same' but guess what..they aint!

Having raised 3 children, and now blessed with the most beautiful granddaughter in the world, I find the attack on women in those stats most offensive.

I use the term 'attack' because it seems to me that if women are moulded and shaped into 'male clones' and taught that everything a man can do, they should be able to do, denies not only nature and physiology, but God Himself.

Now by this point, the atheists etc have either switched off or are rolling their eyes "Oooohnooooo".. Vanilla.. please pick up those eyeballs from the floor.

Nope.. you mob can rant all you like about inequality and exploitation, and 'unpaid work' etc.. I'll stick with the idea of 'family' based on love, under God.

That way, no clown will come along and persuade me that I have to use makeup because it makes me prettier as a bloke :)
Posted by BOAZ_David, Saturday, 8 March 2008 6:43:00 PM
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Browyn,
I too am a believer in equality.

I believe that men should be getting equal rights to women in areas such as law, work, education, medicine, government policies and government subsidies, and men should also be entitled to an Office for Men.

I also believe that there should be a public enquiry held into feminism, similar to public enquiries held in the past into the communist party and the Nazi party (as there are considerable similarities), and I also believe that there should be gender vilification laws introduced to rid the country of feminist, as I have seen the most minimal evidence that feminists do not vilify the male gender.

I also believe that there should be a complete and total review of all social science literature in this country, to find whatever truth there is in social science, and to throw the rest in the garbage bin. In this way the public will not be so mislead by whatever advocacy research various social scientists have undertaken.

I also think that schools should be celebrating International Men’s Day as well as International Women’s Day, so that the schools do not become even more gender prejudiced and feminist then they are at present.

Vanilla.
What did I do on International Women’s Day?

I worked, to get money to pay taxes to help subsides various women. I hope that you find that satisfactory.
Posted by HRS, Saturday, 8 March 2008 7:14:52 PM
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boaz, here's where perspectives come into play.

The description 'unpaid domestic work' is accurate. It's quite neutral.

It's a) unpaid. b) domestic. c) Doing things like dishes and cleaning up, is, work.

You view it as an attack on the role and position of mothers. Allow me to present a different view.

If I did believe it was under siege, I'd agree with you that women should be able to raise children as a worthwhile career, for want of a better word.

The difference is, I think they should also have the choice of a work career.

I also think men should have the same choice. They should be able to take on the role of raising and nurturing children.

You view the situation as an attack on women being able to raise children - the thing is boaz, I view comments such as yours above, as being an attack on the rights of women to choose a work career over family if they so desire.

I view it as an attack on men who want to take on that role, so their wives may pursue a career instead.

The question is boaz, are you attacking those things? Because if not, then we don't really have a disagreement here.

If you believe women should be able to raise a family and be respected for that, we're on the same page - provided, you also believe they should be able to choose a work career instead, or even have men take on the traditional mothering role so their wives or partners can have the career instead.

Are you opposed to those things? That's the real question. That's where we can reveal where the real 'attack' lies.
Posted by TurnRightThenLeft, Saturday, 8 March 2008 7:21:06 PM
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Part A, plus part B, equals life. and so we are back to the beginning again. Simplified! Nit picking will get us no-where.

I think that it explains it's self in a nut shell. Only if you have studied as hard as I have, will the Truth come to you. If you search for it! you will find it. Don't be afraid!

It has nothing to do with god. Your just born with it! That's part C.

I think you might call it, what ever you want it to be.

Electrochemical! That's what we are and nothing else. GOD! An invention of the mind.

I try not to put my self in a over diverted world, but Iam only one man. The open minded is where the window is. The closed mind, is where the real hell lives. And that's a fact!

All the best with your thoughts.
Posted by evolution, Saturday, 8 March 2008 9:17:00 PM
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Err hang on, its not all one way. Women, when still young and
pretty enough, have enormous sexual power, lets be honest. Many
know how to use it too, to their advantage.

I was just reading an article in the paper about high class call
girls in America, the tops being paid 5000$ an hour, lesser ones,
1000$ an hour.

When you girls start to pay us fellas that much for our time,
I'll take your claim about equality, a bit more seriously :)
Posted by Yabby, Saturday, 8 March 2008 9:23:20 PM
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