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Fair go for women : Comments

By Kellie Tranter, published 7/3/2008

Women who speak out for equal rights - the same rights, not special rights - are often described as being 'man-haters', or worse.

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*What man would pay that much ...?*

Sounds like the Gov. of New York State was one of them, despite
the married with 3 kids bit.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7288540.stm

Its a bit like asking, what woman would pay 5000$ for
a Hermes handbag? At the top of the foodchain there are
some seriously rich people, who for their own reasons want
what is exclusive. Those who can project that exclusive
image, stand to make a lot of money, be it selling handbags,
Rolex watches or high class sex.
Posted by Yabby, Tuesday, 11 March 2008 8:22:11 AM
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If we are to attempt addressing what it would be to live in a civilised world, tackling issues surrounding the raw data of women suffrage would be a good place to start.
"anywhere from 40 to 57 per cent of Australian women will experience physical or sexual violence at some point in their lives"
If this statistic alone can not inspire constructive conversation based on our moral obligation to a humane society, what will these statistics reveal in a year from now?
Posted by Justin McKee, Tuesday, 11 March 2008 10:53:31 AM
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Justin: While I agree that violence is an important social issue, it's in no way a "Woman's Issue". If viewed through from a gender divisive angle it should be a "Men's Issue".

From the Australian Personal Safety Study, 2005:
"In the 12 months prior to the survey, there were an estimated 443,800 (5.8%) women
who experienced an incident of violence compared to 808,300 (11%) men"

Effectively that 40-57% for women becomes 50-75% for men.

Danielle:
"I don’t think women can be pushed to become as career focused as men. Women are either career focused, or they are not; or they see multi-choices. Indeed, are all men career focused, or would they prefer to go into other directions."

It's my argument that currently it's the men who have less freedom when it comes to careers. Women are free (in the social sense) to chose to be career focused or not, while men are much more pressured into identifying themselves based on their career.

"I’ve had some very nasty ... indeed, painful tussles ... with my husband when I’ve begun hammering nails into things. Men can be VERY fussy too! Now if I go near a hammer, he rushes to takes. He shows alarm if I attempt to prise open a can of paint ..."

The difference is that the stereotypical men's standards are typically based on practicality; a poor nail job will result in something falling apart. A stereotypical woman's standards are based on image and the perceived social status from having a well kept household. For example the installation of a new fashionable bathroom to impress the woman's friends will still be seen as a shared thing because it is used by both people, whereas a new fashionable car to impress the man's friends will be seen as his thing even though both people use it. I think it's telling that studies show that women control 80% of discretionary spending even though men earn about 2/3rds of the money.
Posted by Desipis, Tuesday, 11 March 2008 12:33:26 PM
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Yabby

"The genders on average are different, yet complimentary."

"Ah, Yabby, would that this were true: then none of us would have anything to worry about."

"Ah Romany, but I remind you, mother nature had it all worked out.
Men did the hunting, women picked the berries and minded the
kids. It was all very complimentary indeed!"

I know I'm not being as 'complimentary' as Romany (and not nearly as tactful or witty) but maybe a dictionary might 'complement' the other skills in your posting repertoire!

Justin

"If we are to attempt addressing what it would be to live in a civilised world, tackling issues surrounding the raw data of women suffrage would be a good place to start.
'anywhere from 40 to 57 per cent of Australian women will experience physical or sexual violence at some point in their lives'."

Yes, I agree, women in Australia are suffering, though I'm not sure that suffrage has much to do with it!

Women in Australia have had the vote for a hundred years and levels of violence against them have steadily risen in that time.

Perhaps when women (and men too) can vote for a party that truly reflects the values of sharing, caring and co-operating together, their suffering (and that of men too) might diminish.
Posted by Bronwyn, Tuesday, 11 March 2008 1:05:25 PM
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Desipis & Frank. Sorry to be repetitive, but it seems to me that you're blaming feminism, or perhaps women in general, for the behaviour of some particularly unpleasant specimens. Frankly, anyone who installs a fashionable bathroom (whatever that is) or buys a fashionable car for the sole purpose of impressing their friends is, I'm afraid, a w@nker. Man or woman. And anyone who vacuums the floor as soon as they walk in the door needs to get a life.

It is your choice who you marry and who you befriend. I wouldn't marry a man who spend all weekend watching the footy and who'd never read a book in his life and then complain about "bloody men!" because I'm unhappy. Equally, if you're a bloke stuck in a relationship with someone shallow or greedy it's not womankind's lookout. Nor is it particularly becoming to have kids then complain about how expensive they are. They're bloody expensive! They're kids! Stay single, if you want to live in a bach flat with a housekeeper.

What neither sex is blame others for unwise choices.

From R0bert's source: "Wealth is largely driven from earnings and business ownership (83.9 per cent) or from personal investments (32.8 per cent). This compares to marriage (24.7 per cent), divorce (2.2 per cent) and inheritance (19.9 per cent), which the research shows are becoming less important sources of wealth."

What a heartening and impressive stats. So yard yakka makes women wealthy, not swindling the ex's assets during divorce. Hurrah!

Desipis:"currently it's men who have less freedom when it comes to careers." Then fight for more. Women have freedom because a lot of brave women, like my mum, lived the lives they wanted despite family and cultural opposition. Then fight for supportive legislation. Fortune favours the brave.
Posted by Vanilla, Tuesday, 11 March 2008 2:02:12 PM
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Vanilla ,
Been away earning just responding to your early post
Re cant take it ..etc

Eh, What are you on about?
Calling OLO responses that differ from the author as SH.T is not only innappropiate & unnaceptable it is terrible. It’s not a ‘JOKE’ (feminist minimization) but is intended to humiliate, demean & devalue those people.

Everybody has a right to respond to the subject matter with a differing view & not be labeled by you as being part of a SH.TFEST.
Attack me all you want but first comment on my points in what we are all here for, the subject matter. Positive or negative & I have no need to swear at you for it. And yes moved on now.

I chose just three from hundreds of examples of Women & Girls ‘Special Rights’ that are over & above ‘Equallity’
Say again,
Women & Girls have ‘special rights’ from massive funding for Women Only from the sexist Fed. Govt. Dept. for the Status of Women & its Minister yet no such Funding or Dept. or Minister exists for Men & Boys who have their rights to equal representation & be heard trampled on every day.

Please prove me wrong & supply us with the contact info for the Fed. Govts. ‘Office for the Status of Men’ & its Minister so Men & Boys can be better empowered with information & help with their Rights & lives as Women & Girls are.

Yeh…………………. ‘Right’

How about ‘ A Fair Go For Men’ not special rights just equal rights.
Posted by DVD, Tuesday, 11 March 2008 2:41:45 PM
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