Well said. Thanks Keiran.

Last night, on CNN, Christians were citing scientists, historians, statisticians and anthropologists, to disprove Jesus of the Bones.
An in these religious matters, and, saying "a priori" (that Word, Sells), we must "first" research ancient naming conventions, before drawing conclusions.

But, in three plus OLO threads, when, I use specialist civilizationists, general historians, antropoligists and university [not bible school] professors of religions; Christians say one must not triangulate secular disciplines on matters of faith, ignoring; Gibbon, Toynbee, Wells, Caroll and McNeill, Popper, Polanyi, Leakey, Penrose, Skinner, Armstrong and Greenfield, and, Popkin, Russell, Kant, and, many others. [Sells, all are serious experts in their respective fields.].

Herein, if a Doctor of Cristian Theology (Pells) makes a posit, we forget all the rest of human knowledge. We believe the Earth is the centre of the universe, that the world was created in 4,004 BCE and that Moses has horns. If we are Catholics that Jesus' body is "floating" in space enroute to heaven and transubstantiation is true.

The Christian denies their scheme of behaviours to secular science and to other religions. Why?

Keiran, I think you are about to see TEDDY-RAMA in the near future.

Oliver, I enjoy reading your excellent thoughts ..... and following these up to gain some further insight.

Today was a most interesting day in the business world and for myself with this date 27/2/07.

Some months back you may remember we were discussing connectivity, infinity, and mathematics ideas like pi. (i.e. which should be as easy as Pi. lol ..... posted by Keiran, Friday, 22 December 2006)

I posted "Better still what about Martin Armstrong's Economic Pi Cycle for some reading?
http://www.contrahour.com/contrahour/2006/06/martin_armstron.html
"

Well, if anyone was interested in economic business cycles Martin Armstrong's Economic Pi Cycle says 2007.15... or 27/2/07 for a major downturn. How about this then, when it happened right on cue to the day for about the sixth time. This is truly astonishing ...... makes one wonder why this bloke is locked up and out of circulation.

e.g. He says this in part of an excellent read that is based on considerable evidence.
"The Mystery of 8.6
At first, 8.6 seemed to be a rather odd number that just didn’t fit mathematically. In trying to test the validity of October 19th, 1987 being precise or coincidence, I stumbled upon something I never expected. This is the first time I will reveal something that I discovered and kept secret for the last 13 years. The total number of days within an 8.6-year business cycle was 3141. In reality, the 8.6-year cycle was equal to p (Pi) * 1000. Suddenly, there was clearly more at work than mere coincidence. "

Thanks Keiran.

Last night, on CNN, Christians were citing scientists, historians, statisticians and anthropologists, to disprove Jesus of the Bones.
And in these religious matters, and, saying "a priori", we must "first" research ancient naming conventions, before drawing conclusions.

But, in three plus OLO threads, when, I used specialist civilisationalists, general historians, anthropoligists and university [not bible school] professors of religions; Christians say one must not triangulate secular disciplines on matters of faith, ignoring; Gibbon, Toynbee, Wells, Caroll and McNeill, Popper, Polanyi, Leakey, Penrose, Skinner, Armstrong and Greenfield, and, Popkin, Russell, Kant, and, many others. [Sells, all are serious experts in their respective fields.].

If a Doctor of Christian Theology (Pells) makes a posit, we forget all the rest of human knowledge. We believe the Earth is the centre of the universe, that the world was created in 4,004 BCE and that Moses has horns. Moreover, if we are Catholics that Jesus' body is "floating" in space [sells] en-route to heaven and transubstantiation is true.

The Christian denies their scheme of behaviours to secular science and to other religions. Why?

Scientists can't use science to invalidate Christanity, Yet, Christians can use science to invalidate other religiosities. Curious, isn't it?

Keiran, I think you are about to see TEDDY-RAMA in the near future.

Donnie you are right medical clinics have not inspired the hearts of men to torture people to admit they were witches then burn them , or torture and execute Christian converts to admit they still have a soft spot for their Jewish past and then kill them , or go to war over a different opinion over scripture , or persecute Jews , gays, gypsies, Russian and greek Orthadox, women , children , pagans , other sects of the same cult, marry children, take land off of peasants, ethnically cleans Europe, the New World , Oceana and the antipodes.

Perhaps it is because crimes against humanity justified by the faith in a god is not covered by medicare. Maybe after the election Abbott will cover inquistion gap costs.

Despite musing waiting for a doctor for 20 minutes is a small torture I make no light heart on the suffering of the victims of Christianity over the centuries. The suffering of very first victim centuries ago is as fresh to me as the multitude suffering February 28 2007. Be reminded rape victims who have abortions can face the death penalty in Nicaragua a law enacted on the request of the vatican. Children in the U.S and I know of here are kicked out onto the streets because their lives are not righteous enough to god fearing parents. The pain of the stolen generation haunts many in Australia. No need to give you a full index , you get my drift.

Most people i know think that im crazy and
i know at times i act a little hazy but
if thats my way
and you should know it then
in every way help me to show it

oooooooo yeah, yeah, yeah

For most of my life i lived a delusion yes
material gain has caused me confusion but
slowly in time i learned that my place is to
tell all that i meet the glory that God is

oooooooo yeah, yeah

and thats why

Most people i know think that im crazy and
i know at times i act a little hazy but
if thats my way
and you should know it then
in every way help me to show it

oooooooo yeah, yeah, yeah

Most people i know think that im crazy and
i know at times i act a little hazy but
if thats my way
and you should know it then
in every way help me to show it

In memory of Billy Thorpe. I hope he's found the promise of his God.

Yes West, kind of a predictable response. The bad news is always more compelling, you'd do well working for a newspaper.

So if i say to someone "be good to your fellow man" and the person who hears me goes out and murders his fellow man. What actually happened here?
Was i at fault for telling the person to be good?
Did the person just not listen and go and do his own thing?
Did the person for some reason believe that "being good" actually meant to kill someone?
Did i fail to explain what being good really meant?

Simplistic example i know, but if someone genuinely tried to inspire people to do good and even explained what that actually meant, and then some of these people go out and do bad, who are the real bad ones in that picture?