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Good post.

I was reading Susan Greenfield [neurologist and university resident thinker]. The good Baroness writes of the personal ego versus the collective ego. The latter tends to be more nasty. In this frame. no doubt ordinary Christians have had their place in collective ego played with by Church leaders and religiosity in general, for millenia.

Around the eventh century, Islam was leaning towards liberalism. Unfortunately, this stalled. Likewise, we had the loss of intellectual growth in the West, after the fall of the Western Roman Empire, and subsequently, under the cruel and superstitious Christians. In China, spititualism leaned more towards ancestor worships and China being The Middle Kingdom between heaven and earth: wherein, everyday life was more secular, even in ancient and Medieval times. Feudalism was replaced 300 years before the common era. Secular-like Chinese Confucianism, did take hold. Regrettably, when the Chinese did have contact with Greek scholarship, they paid it little mind as the esoteric was not valued.

Practical Chinese inventiveness gave them technologies without much understanding of the Science behind their techiques. Given the relative absence of religion in China, the country progressed, without a prolonged Dark Ages. Humanity might have befitted had the Chinese applied Greek thought to the secularism; herein, we might have had the Great Divergence the eighth; rather than the eighteenth century.

Humanity has stuggled under the yoke of religionism for ages. I do hope, eventually, humankind can break free and stand on its own feet for its self-actualised, goodness sake.

I think the only chance human kind has of throwing off the yokes of religion is if it ever colonises other worlds such as the moon , Titan or Mars. The great anchor in all religions is geographic. whether it was Hellenistic sprite infested gorges, Rainbow Serpent landscapes, Mecca , Jerusalem , Orion (view from earth) all regigions are geographically specific. This is why Jehova, Elohim and Allah, were all ignorant of the world beyond the Tigris and the universe above beyond 2km.

No doubt superstition would stay with humanity but as geography becomes irrelevant so too does religion. Who cares if Jesus returned to Armageddon as far as an Earth Decended martian is concerned?
With environmental monitoring and technical knowledge just to keep alive , curses and smiteness will be replaced with technical malfunction, structural stress and psychological competence profiling.

" ... This is why Jehova, Elohim and Allah, were all ignorant of the world beyond the Tigris and the universe above beyond 2km. ... "

Indeed the situation 4 some of the Palestinian refugees has been unacceptable for too long. It seems that even the experience of WW2 is insufficient 2 bring the collective consciousness of some in "israel" to act with compassion 2wards their fellow Human Beings.

Why is it any surprise then that in the face of "tyrannical oppression" that some choose 2 throw off their shackles by force of arms? & Why is it any surprise that they have friends?

Perhaps if we cld escape the body 4 a bit,
& have a word with the *Mars Conscioussness*
visa vi the conduct of the romans & their allies during recent times.

...Adam...

By "the conduct of the romans & their allies during recent times" are you referring to the Mussolini, Vatican, Franco and Hitler Quadrant alliance ? or the alliance with the free world after Italy was conquered by the science driven Fordist U.S.A and its industrialised allies? Which was fortunate because if Berlin fell first the Vatican would have no time to negotiate its survival.Thus today the Catholic Church would be broken up and Nazis would not have been able to escape intact as a group to Catholic South America.

If Berlin fell first - A nice 'What if?'