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Muslim political culture : Comments

By Nayeefa Chowdhury, published 16/10/2006

Muslim political culture: governance and prospects for democracy, focusing on Saudi Arabia, Iran and Indonesia.

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“The arrival of the 21st century has seen Muslims the world over grappling to determine their identities amid unique challenges brought by the waves of modernisation and globalisation.”

There does not seem to be much evidence to support that claim. Muslims are still in the 14th Century and do not appear to be ‘grappling’ with anything outside their own closed circle. Nor is it immediately apparent that Muslims have “richly diverse” customs and traditions.

Islam is anti-democratic. The only way that a Muslim can truly participate in democracy and political matters is to cease to be a Muslim – and face death for it.

Why they keep trying to tell us that they are just like the rest of us is a mystery
Posted by Leigh, Monday, 16 October 2006 9:24:51 AM
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Quote from the first poster:

"Muslims are still in the 14th Century and do not appear to be ‘grappling’ with anything outside their own closed circle. Nor is it immediately apparent that Muslims have 'richly diverse' customs and traditions. Islam is anti-democratic. The only way that a Muslim can truly participate in democracy and political matters is to cease to be a Muslim – and face death for it. Why they keep trying to tell us that they are just like the rest of us is a mystery."

He who has his mind in the locked position is bound to be mystified - and is already facing intellectual death.
Posted by FrankGol, Monday, 16 October 2006 10:46:18 AM
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And you would be an authority on all things Islamic - their culture their customs and traditions - would you Leigh? -

knock up a couple of thousand words like Nayeefa and help us all to a higher level of understanding will ya please?

Did you read the article or did you just get to the few assertions made early in the piece and then climb aboard that high horse? - she makes actually makes some very telling points - particularly about the nexus between western policies and Islamic responses
Posted by sneekeepete, Monday, 16 October 2006 11:20:00 AM
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Nayeefa,

Excellent daring article.

Leigh,

The Iraqi people showed the highest presence to voting polls (more than 70%) in circumstances when going to the polls meant the possibility of death. I can't think of anyone showing to the polls in a western country if there is a group threatening to blow up voting polls. Yet brave Iraqis showed up at voting boots (practising sunnis and shiites).

PS:(Google iraq's first democratic elections).
Even with your chronic anti-Muslim grudge, you should spare a moment to research your comments before a public display of ignorance.

Peace,
Posted by Fellow_Human, Monday, 16 October 2006 12:23:21 PM
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A commendable piece of academic literature that has very little to do with the realities of Islamic political culture.

Many in Iraq will argue that life was more bearable under Saddam’s tyrannic regime. Most will much rather accept abuse than modernity.

Global Islamisation under a common flag is Islam’s ultimate but unattainable mission. Islam historical “golden years” or centuries were under the ottoman / khalifate ruling.

True Islamic sentiments choke at the idea of any “foreign to islam” way of thinking. True Democracy is seen as a window to liberalism (from the clutches of the Imams).

I don’t see how the three “carefully picked” Countries as chosen by Nayeefa could represent a future model for Islamic democracy - short of revolutions or mass conversion out of Islam.

Turkey could be perhaps a better candidate closer to the democratic mark - but I guess being largely secularised makes it a bad model for Islam.

The un-islamic royal house of Seoud in Saudi Arabia has been for decades earmarked for extermination by neighbouring (and local) Muslem Militants and replaced by a marxist Islam (If it were not for the US-Seoudi alliance).

Iran can hardly be called democratic when any anti Islamic ideology is harshly obliterated – just ask any Iranian refugee.

Indonesia – out of control. Anarchy is perhaps the best description. Muslem clerics are in charge of the ignorant masses under a puppet government.

Muslems respond better to strong dictators. Islam will never become a respectful political identity because it was founded on a religion that cannot offer HOPE, let alone prosperity, unity, or equality.

After fourteen centuries, we are yet to find the perfect Islamic model. A kingdom divided will always collapse.
Posted by coach, Monday, 16 October 2006 3:21:28 PM
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Sneekeepete,

Relax. Don’t worry about what I think. Concentrate on what you think.

Fellow Human,

I’m not the slightest bit interested in Muslims in Iraq or anywhere else but Australia. Inky thumbprints on ballot papers don’t seem to have made much difference in a country where Iraqis are killing Iraqis at a far greater pace than any “invaders” have ever killed them.

You will continue to make excuses for Islam, and I will continue to dislike Islam – not individual adherents of Islam whom I think have been brainwashed, just like some adherents of other religions. I might even like you, as a person, if I knew you. But, there is no public indication that you Muslims are prepared to do anything except take offence, react emotionally and play the victim routine every time there is a criticism of Islam. There is no point in reacting to what I say; it will not make any difference. Perhaps you would be happier if I didn’t say anything about Islam? That would probably make you feel better, but it would not change what I think, nor would it change what the ‘silent majority’ thinks of your religion and its presence in Australia. You will never be accepted on anything but a superficial, enforced politically correct level no matter how hard you try. Keep your religion personal and private, and live the life of a ‘fellow human’.

If you are happy to be confined within cruel, vicious and outmoded religious doctrine, that’s your business; but do not expect to have an easy time of it if you try to convince others that Islam is a good deal.

And, knock of the ‘ignorance’ bit. You have absolutely no idea what I know and don’t know. I’ve done my best to be polite to you, but there is a limit to my patience and, if you want to trade insults with me, I am more than a match for you
Posted by Leigh, Monday, 16 October 2006 3:26:31 PM
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