kang

"Why don't you learn some of the truth of the matter by reading Blanche d'Alpuget's biography of Bob Hawke or study the political career of H.V. Evatt and his rise within the U.N. ? "

What has all that do with your allegations of a powerful Zionist lobby? Where is your proof?

"Or if you want to learn about the Mother of all Zionist Lobbies, on which others are modelled, and with which they connected, read the London Review of Books article by J. Mearsheimer and S. Walt"

Their review which I read was like a rewrite of the Protocols. Like you it only quoted others who agreed with their sick hypothesis and contained no original work. A totally lazy piece of work.

If there is any group churning out propaganda it is the Palestinian lobby! Reporters in Lebanon were prevented by thugs from filming anything that spoiled their view of the events (SBS TV film shoot) while photos were so badly doctored that Reuters had to sack a photographer. Identical bodies were trundled out several times for successive shoots for different alleged Israeli attacks on different days (how often can you kill the same person?). The bodies and the rescuers were all incredibly clean particularly as they were wearing the same clothes for each shot. And the plight of religiuos minorities in Arab lands is deliberately ignored while Israeli Muslims and Christians are given a vote something which is denied to people in most Islamic lands.

If someone writes an article criticizing Israel you will believe it. If they write an article criticizing the Arabs you will condemn it. Why let facts get in your way?

Steve Madden

If Germany, Italy and Japan were firing rockets and sending suicide bombers to Allied lands they would be still occupied. The Allies aren't silly.

Keith,
You're certainly on the right side.You make personal attacks then duck over the border & claim respectability(much like Hezbullah).

How about my question re the Arabs declining to resettle the Palestinians ?
And the implication/consequences if other nations choose to follow suite.

PS Keith,
You've been tongue in cheek all along haven’t you?
The tongue is yours- but the cheeks belong to Hezbullahs Hassan Nasrallah.

logic,
"Also I fail to see how obfuscation can be pedantic. Please explain if you can find time away from your predjudices"

It seems pretty straight forward to me: pedantic - a person who is concerned with insignificant detail; obfuscation - to perplex or bewilder. Put them together and you get someone who tries to muddy the waters with irrelevant detail ie. the zionist lobby. Do you own a dictionary?

logic,
"Are you referring to Galipoli to the Boer War?"

What does Galipoli have to do with the war in Lebanon (except they were both disasters?) See what I mean about obfuscation.

logic,
"Was it Mein Kampf or Protocols of the Elders of Zion that you guys just read?"

More zionist hysteria.....people just don't get do they? Even though Israel has 100 nuclear bombs, its very existence is at stake from a group of guerillas with anti-tank weapons.... Perhaps you should just call us all anti-Semitic; it couldn't hurt your credibility any further.

eet

"Even though Israel has 100 nuclear bombs, its very existence is at stake from a group of guerillas with anti-tank weapons.... "

Where do you get this figure of 100 nuclear bombs from?

And if these guerillas have only anti-tank weapons who is bombing the North of Israel and Israeli ships with powerful missiles? That comment was stupid. They weren't toys that Hezbollah were using they were real and dangerous weapons.

And you talk about predjudices. Mine is that Israel wants to continue as a democratic nation and is modern enough to achieve that. I am also frightened of a fanatic fundamentalist Muslim movement that wants to force its medieval views on everyone and doesn't care who it kills in the process (Bali, New York, London, Mumbai, Madrid, Iran, Taliban, Darfur etc. etc. )

You want me to accuse you of anti-semitism, that is the typical defence of the anti Israel lobby, it is so easy then to twist my argument and cry foul.

I am the fourth generation of my family to live in this country and my sister is married to a descendent of a convict. And we are all Jewish (including the convict). We have never encountered anti-semitism in this land although some recent immigrant groups are introducing it. For the first time Synagogues are surrounded by fences and police. Don't cast me as anything but an established Aussie.

But your comments went way over the line. There is no such thing as a powerful Zionist lobby and Jews were in Israel long before Zionism.

Please excuse my interpretation of your sentence, I can only afford the Shorter Oxford Dictionary, but my understanding is that obfuscation means to darken or to obscure while a pedant can be one who stesses details and formal rules. One who is deliberately trying to obscure is unlikely to have a fixation on details. Perhaps if you have the OED you will have more detailed definitions.

It seems, my post on 10 October has been omitted as usual.

What logic could apply to a majority of this discussion, LOGIC, if seeing own nose is a very local achievement, one and only?

Steve Maddon,

Guam? Really? Did you know Guam has been an administered territory for over 400 years. Initially by the Spanish for about 250 years then by the Americans from the late 1800's then the Japanese for 4 years in the 1940's then the Americans, again, from 1945.

Not a good example though ... All the residents of Guam qualify for full US citizenship...unlike the residents of the occupied Palestinian territories.

:-) Next?