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But I do know two things: A) that for reasons of demographic self-preservation, Israel should not continue to rule over millions of hostile Palestinians in the West Bank, and B) any such withdrawal will only take place if Israel can be assured that the West Bank will not become a forward operating base for terrorists.

With the Palestinians electing a Hamas government, I don’t see any credible signs that they have relinquished their pipe dream of throwing the Jews into the sea.

True, one part of 194 talks about compensation for refugees, but the Palestinians continually harp upon the clause that calls for ‘return.’ Even Mahmoud Abbas, a purported ‘moderate,’ made the 'return' a central part of his campaign platform during the last presidential elections.

As for the 800,000 Jews forced to leave their homes throughout the Arab world with only the shirts on their backs, they do not want to return. But they would like compensation for the many billions (by today’s dollars) in property they were forced to forfeit without recompense.

I note that you fail to address my point about the fundamental unfairness of treating Palestinian war refugees differently than Greek, Pakistani, German or other war refugees. Of all these refugee populations, only the Palestinians have a special agency (UNRWA) devoted solely to them. Of all these refugee populations, only among the Palestinians is refugee status a hereditary state that is handed down from generation to generation. And of all these refugee populations, only the Palestinians are still in camps while the others have long since been resettled.

TONY KEVIN – you claim not to have suggesting that I should leave Australia. But your own paper trail reveals the contradictions between your various versions of events. In this very thread you previously posted:

“I think your cover is pretty much blown in Australia now: maybe it is time for a new country and a new role?”

If that’s not an invitation to decamp the country, I don’t know what is. A prime prerequisite for successful prevarication is a good memory, and yours regularly deceives you.

Expecting people like Ted Lapkin to respond to the tragedy of millions of human beings suffering because of Israel's actions is a pipe dream.
You can bring up the monstrous, illegal wall that takes even more land from the indigenous farmers, cuts through communities and denies people access to hospitals and schools: you can bring up the roadblocks where men, women and children are humiliated and left to wait in the hot sun or freezing cold for hours, and the women who have had to give birth there or the people who cannot get to hospital in time; you can bring up the ILLEGAL - yes they are illegal under the Geneva Conventions- squatters who live in fortified towns for Jews-only and have Jews-only roads,whilst the indigeous people struggle on the side roads and are subject to abuse from the criminals who come down to attack mostly old people and children. You can bring up the young IOF thugs, who at best bully, but often, kill on a daily basis.

Now, these are only some aspects that have made Israel a pariah state and despised by decent people around the world. BUT, you will not get compaasion and humanity from the self-interested people who wish to take this land, even the little 22% that is left for the indigenous people. The only point that can be achieved is to let Ted Lapkin know that the world is changing and more people join the number of caring people who want freedom and justice that has been denied Palestinians for almost 60 years.

You all are missing a Herald Sun/The Australian article about Melbourne mullah’s response to proposed changes in naturalization.

What is funny there, first time in Australia I had read advice to those not liking accent with which calls to wear ihijab and distract Israel pronounced, get out back to England:

<TONY KEVIN – you claim not to have suggesting that I should leave Australia. But your own paper trail reveals the contradictions between your various versions of events. In this very thread you previously posted:

“I think your cover is pretty much blown in Australia now: maybe it is time for a new country and a new role?”

If that’s not an invitation to decamp the country, I don’t know what is. A prime prerequisite for successful prevarication is a good memory, and yours regularly deceives you.
Posted by Ted Lapkin, Thursday, 12 October 2006 5:29:30 PM>

sunisle

Can you manage to get over your extreme hatred and understand something of Israel's view?

The wall is monstrous I think Ted would agree, but the alternative is to have your children murdered on bus stops or when out enjoying themselves in discos or cafes like any Australians. Israeli parents used to worry every time their kids were late home from school. Can't you see that?
You discuss legality, is it legal to bring up children to kill themselves and murder others in the process in the belief that Allah will reward them? To me, and I would think all Aussies that is one of the most monstrous crimes in history. I know of no other society which has ever done such a thing regardless of their perceived problems. And you mention decency.

And then you discuss indigenous people. Since when were the Arabs the indigenous people in Palestine? Or for that matter Egypt Lebanon or Iraq. They were conquerors from Arabia. The 800,000 Jews forced in modern times to leave their homes throughout the Arab world with only the shirts on their backs were in the main more indigenous to their countries than the Arabs. As were the Copts in Egypt. And besides Ted has never suggested that he supports settlements.

You ask for compassion and humanity. I trust you have equal compassion for the Israeli Arabs killed by Hezbollah rockets (40% of those killed)? And the people in Darfur? How many killed there?

Ted,
"I note that you fail to address my point about the fundamental unfairness of treating Palestinian war refugees differently than Greek, Pakistani, German or other war refugees."

You forgot to mention Jewish refugees in WW2. Oh wait, that's right, more than fifty years later they were still "shaking down" (Finkelstein's phrase) European banks for billions. Read Finkelstein's book - it details the Jewish lobby's access to Clinton when he was President. It details how American Jewry convinced many US states and institutions to threaten boycotts unless those firms 'paid up'. Out and out blackmail. It's a shame Israel isn't as 'ethical' as the Europeans when it comes to paying the Palestinians compensation.

I await your character assassination of Finkelstein (and myself).

Ted,
"Of all these refugee populations, only among the Palestinians is refugee status a hereditary state that is handed down from generation to generation. And of all these refugee populations, only the Palestinians are still in camps while the others have long since been resettled."

Do you mean like Jewish refugees that may not have been in the ME for five hundred years but enjoy an automatic right of return. While Arabs chased from their land by Jewish terror squads in the past 60 years ago cannot.

Oh please Logic- quite inappropriate name- the old strategy of blaming the victims and excusing the aggressors won't wash.

Israel occupies millions of INDIGENOUS people- not the other way around. The pathetically few young INDIGENOUS people who kill themselves in order to resist the occupation are small potatoes compared with the homicide killers of the IOF, who kill, go home for dinner and then back the next day to kill again.

The INDIGENOUS people are those people referred to by Balfour, when he said, "....for in Palestine, we do not even propose to go through the form of consulting the wishes of the inhabitants."

They are the people referred to by Weizman, the head of the Committee for Removal and Expulsion,when he said, "...not one village, not one tribe must remain" and "the British told us there are some hundred thousand negoes, Kushim, and for these there is no value"!

They are the children and grandchildren of the 13,000 human beings massacred by the European colonisers. They are some of the 750,000- and their descendents- expelled from their land by the same European colonisers.

And, no, it is way past time for looking at Israel's "view" the west has had the "view"- Zionist propaganda- pushed down it's throats ad nauseum for nearly 60 years...it is time for the victims to be heard.

We now understand what happened and it's too late to pull the threadbear veil of hypocrisy over Israel's "view".
Israel has had 60 years to right a terrible wrong- instead Israelis are still persecuting the INDIGENOUS people...and the young thugs of the IOF are just getting more brutal.

And Lapkin knows all this and doesn;t bat an eye...so, no, i don't believe that the illegal,monstrous wall and it's effects on the INDIGENOUS people bother him...as he is also unconcerned about the millions of fellow human beings who are being persecuted by people of his religion.