I totally agree with you "Yourjust jealous", unyielding, unquestioning faith is the only indicator of true devotion; a measure of those that will be saved by God. Because faith is harder to shake than knowledge, love succumbs less to change than respect.

We want to fill our culture again with the Christian spirit. We want to burn out all the recent immoral developments in literature, in the theater, and in the press - in short, we want to burn out the poison of immorality which has entered into our whole life and culture as a result of liberal excess during the past few years.

Jasper
Family First
http://blackbilebox.blogspot.com/

Yourjust jealous, so you deny the gospel as preached in most evangelical churches. You are claiming that a person can sincerly repent of their sins, accept Jesus as Lord and Saviour, get baptised etc and still not be a christian. Note I'm not just talking about outward actions but a full blown desire.

See BD's earlier post about the authority of those who were closest to the situation to observe it before responding with an assumption that I and other posters were not sincere about those beliefs.

R0bert

jasper BBB,
You're having us on,right? You're really a member of The Chaser, aren't you, waiting for us to all foam at the mouth in self righteous horror at your posts and your - ahem - blog, you are, aren't you?
Great article, Evan. I come from a family with no religion for generations ( once were jews and methodists), we've had one divorce and that was amicable and the co-parenting equitable and effective. We're close, philanthropic and kind to one another and others and we've not missed believing in a God one bit, not for four generations. I listen to the religious with interest but that's all, I just don't get what they get so hot and bothered about. I have no problem with them believing, feel no need to judge or convert them, so why are they so determined to judge, condemn and, if they can, convert me?

Lorese
I guess you don't really care about logic. Thats fine. I have come to expect it from many people these days. Your entire post to me addressed nothing I said and was merely an immature attempt to dismiss what I said without argument.

It appears you have not even taken logic 101. Otherwise you would understand that making an argument and having a discussion involves dealing with the point at hand and not making stupid little comments.

If you have a problem with anything I said, then how about you tell me what the problem is with what particular thing I said, and then support your assertion by telling my why there is a problem.

Boaz

I find no more or less ring of truth in Paul’s words than I do in hearing the testimony of people who claim to have met aliens near crop circles. It is still up to me to decide what I believe. You have obviously decided to believe the reported experience of a man written 2000 years ago. Here is your comment to me; [ “ But then you who are far removed from the events, decide you know better :) ... see my point ?”] You too Boaz, are far removed from the events!....see my point?

You need to understand that I do not care what you believe. I have no desire or emotional investment in convincing you of anything. You however as a Christian, would dearly love to convert me as this is what your Christ has charged you to do.

I think it is possible that many strange things, so far outside of human experience are true. There may even be a ‘master mind’ who designed the universe. I suspect not, but who knows? Or it may be that we humans have a common consciousness that is more complex than all of us can imagine, and that we can tap into at times as some people claim, who knows? A man named Paul probably did have an experience on the road to Damascus. It was probably high time he had a serious mental and emotional crisis brought on by his guilt at his bloody job of killing Christians for the Romans. But do I accept he met the risen Christ? No, but I have no reason to doubt that he believed he did, but then many people believe many things that others find weird, whacky, unbelievable, or just outside their experience.

The difference between us Boaz is you claim to know. I don’t for sure. But I can say I have definitely decided not to believe in the religion described as Christianity that is based on a man necessarily being tortured to death on a Roman cross. It just doesn’t have ‘the ring of truth’ for me.

Hi Robert

These ‘real’ Christians are amazing aren’t they? Just because you and I and others like us have made a choice to no longer believe in Christianity, they tell us we can’t have been sincere in the first place and they accuse us of arrogance! When people are that blinded by faith they are desperate to defend it at all costs; even their own sense of what is fair and logical. I do know as I have been there. The current Christians want it both ways, or should I say all ways. Only their particular brand is right, anything else is justified away by some kind of hoodwinking by other ‘bad’ Christians, and any ‘former’ Christian, can’t have been the right kind of one in the first place, thus denying any former Christian the right to have an opinion or any knowledge about something they experienced in their own lives! Geez, fair go.

Hi everyone

Quick! Put Jasper BBB out of his misery by going to his blog just the once! You’ll never want to read his messages of hate twice, (if you are a decent person and I think most of us are) I don’t think he believes the rubbish he posts, he just writes whatever he thinks will be controversial enough to get people to check out his blog. Actually Jasper! There is a job going that might suit you, the Christians are looking for the antichrist. You should apply for the job and keep everyone happy….you get to cause a lot of death, destruction and mayhem…(maybe even burnings at the stake considering you are calling for burnings) and end up dead in the end. Boaz, you’d be better using your energy on Jasper…or maybe Jasper is trying to ‘do a chaser’ as Ena said. Though I doubt it, his blog seems a bit sickly serious. Good points by the way Ena