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Stand now and be blessed : Comments

By Evan Gillham, published 30/8/2006

An ex-Christian asks some questions.

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Narcissist, "All counterfeit is bad. All religions are counterfeit."

...prove it.
Posted by Alan Grey, Wednesday, 30 August 2006 3:57:00 PM
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May be an article could be written by an ex athiest asking why we have to put up with the ever changing 'science' theories on the origins of the earth. We could ask why in the name of rights the athiest/agnostics allow the murder of unborn children.

I agree that their are many charlotans out there in the religous world although the same goes for the science world, the medical profession and
any other organisation on earth.

Surely anyone smart enough to write this article is also smart enough to see that the teachings and writings of Jesus are second to no one who has ever walked this planet.
Posted by runner, Wednesday, 30 August 2006 4:18:01 PM
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There's no quantitative difference between religions, Evans experience is the same as most sane people confronted by religion, yet seeing beyond the fearful cloak monotheists try to hide behind. I grew up in a deeply religious family, also took up the cloth and see only normality in Evans experience, that's way it is in all religious circles. They say otherwise, but their words don't relate to their working expression.

Can you imagine the bereft boaz or coach, approaching anyone other than the way they do here. No chance, like snakes in the grass, they slither away when challenged and return with more illusional but destructive venom, hoping they can infect others to their nothingness.

Look at any religious program on TV, you'll see the depth of fear they try to instil, that's if you can stand it for more than 30 seconds. Monotheists are champing at the bit for their Armageddon to appear, its their only hope. Without it happening, they'll continue to look like fools, as science and the future tears more and more holes in the fabric of their evil delusions.

All that's left will be a tattered illusion, bloodied with the destroyed peoples and cultures of the world. Not a pretty sight, but one that demonstrates the true result of the so called outpourings of love, from the followers of Yahweh, god of war and destruction.

Good article Evan and some truthful replies from others, seeing beyond the crumbling façade of monotheism
Posted by The alchemist, Wednesday, 30 August 2006 4:32:16 PM
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Hahaha, Coach. I wondered how long it would take for you to find your way here to point out that one form of Christianity may be wrong, but yours isn't even a religion. Cause all religion's evil unless it's done your way right?

And Coach, if the world is only 13,000 years old... what's up with dinosaurs? Were they in the garden of eden too, or is it a conspiracy.

Sorry. Those comments weren't constructive, but I really couldn't resist.
Posted by TurnRightThenLeft, Wednesday, 30 August 2006 4:43:42 PM
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Coach
I thought you were going alright (and I am an atheist) until you said the earth is truly only around 13 000 years old. So when did the dinousars fit in that time frame? Oh sorry, the dinosaurs don't get mentioned in the Bible so they never happened. Get real, the earth is many millions of years old, long predating the arrival of humans.
Posted by rossco, Wednesday, 30 August 2006 4:51:38 PM
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Boaz, thanks for the Welsh Revival links. Fascinating. A perfect illustration of what Evan described in his piece.

Group dynamics with a charismatic spruiker can have a significant impact on ordinary folk. Oswald Mosley in the 1930s UK similarly relied on fiery rhetoric to ignite his audiences into a form of low-level hysteria, with the behaviour of a few inciting a me-too reaction in the targetted bunnies.

There are other similarities.

"The Revival storm that hit the hills and valleys of Wales in the dying months of 1904 soon became a hurricane... The public excitement of the Revival had died down by 1906 – Evan Roberts went to Leicester to recuperate"

Mosley's impact lasted a little longer, although he spent his "recuperation" in Brixton Prison as a guest of His Majesty.

The ability to motivate people to do things against their nature is a powerful talent. The methods employed have become more sophisticated over the years, but the results are consistent. Some reject the coercion immediately; the bulk take the message on board so long as there is continuing external stimulus; while a small percentage change their lives in line with the new experience. These tend to be people who are already searching for some "meaning" in their lives, and the message is internalized at a fundamental and emotional level.

"In asking one elderly Revival convert some years ago as to whether the Revival stopped in 1906, she answered – its still burning within my heart – it’s never been extinguished – it had burned for over 70 years." [The Welsh Revival]

"Our views and ideas are based on the concepts of personal liberty, social justice, national independence and racial integrity. We call this philosophy: RACIAL NATIONALISM." [No emphasis added. Verbatim from the current UK National Front web site]

Most people who were exposed to Evan Roberts or Oswald Mosley quickly reverted to their previous mentally balanced state, some didn't. This is perfectly normal crowd behaviour, which in itself signifies nothing about the message being delivered - it can equally be the love of God or the hatred of foreigners.
Posted by Pericles, Wednesday, 30 August 2006 5:19:57 PM
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