egillham, now that you have known those cricketers and their beliefs, do you hate them? are those cricketers sick idiots deprived of intelligence? are they sub-human ? are they fools?
what do you think of them?

obozo, maybe you should have a read of the article and subsequent posts. I've not noticed anything there about hating all christains (maybe you could have a look at Proverbs 12:17).

It really does not matter how many cricketers are christains, I don't get what your hang up on that is.

The author has taken the effort to share his experience with parts of the christain church. There are some important lessons to be learned here if anybody cares and you want to obsess about cricketers.

Maybe a read of Exodus 20:3-4 and a look to see if cricket is mentioned in there somewhere.

R0bert

Alan Grey, I know logic is a difficult concept for you to grasp, but it would help us all if you gave it a shot now and then.

Not to mention consistency.

>>I have never said that belief is equivalant to reality, which is what you seem to be implying<<

But you did say, in a previous post:

>>Trying to seperate belief from reality is ridiculous and nonsensical.<<

Which is it to be, Alan?

>>The Christian God cannot both exist and not-exist. It just isn't possible<<

True, but irrelevant to the argument. Believing in the existence of a Christian God is just one of many beliefs - for the sake of argument, let us assume there are a hundred. Given that the existence of none of them can be tested scientifically, the starting odds of any of them being the one that exists is 100-1. Plus, of course, the possibility that none of them actually has the story right, lengthening the odds even further.

Belief is, I'm afraid, a totally different concept to facts, truth or reality.

Your comment about Evan is also wide of the mark.

>>Of course, I have to wonder if it was true when he labels other peoples beliefs as 'absurd' and 'damaging' beliefs that affect 'mental health'. So much for room for multiple beliefs<<

OK, let's try this one. You believe that war is bad, I believe that war is good. Would not you allow yourself to label mine as 'absurd' and 'damaging' beliefs that affect 'mental health'?

Robert, I have seen these cool words used in this thread : 'sick', 'nutters', : What a sick religion. Have you seen them? If not, read from the first post. I've noticed the hate. True, it doesn't matter how many christians profess christianity, but the point is do lorese & co. hate cricketers just because they happen to believe in christianity? check those posts. I dont think anyone will learn a lesson if you ridicule his/her chore belief. Yes, Cricket, Tennis, Football, even Aussie rules etc. are also mentioned there.(sarcasm)

Evan, you may not get a reasonable answer for “original sin”, just excuses or illusions.

My understanding is original sin occurs when you are born in the flesh. So everyone is first a sinner in the eyes of god, condemned before living. Its a good method of instilling fear and submissiveness, so control is easy. “One” being one body of god, combined in his might, to be enslaved, controlled, corrupted as one.

You can see that mental state in Michael4Loves posts. Full of emotion, yet ask him to provide details and verifiable fact for his miracles and the truth may rise to the surface, sinking him under its weight. But he'd swear on the bible its all true, which may verify the veracity of his claims. When your beliefs a delusion, then illusions appear real.

Obozo, hate, nah we use names and leave hate to those who have to prove how stupid they are. Monotheists use names, threats, repetitive programming and indoctrination, psychological abuse of children, harassment (preaching, spreading the word,) subterfuge and direct lying, bombs, guns, you name it and the followers of Yahweh will use it to be right about their wrongness.

The argument for any belief is solely related to the total expression of its outcome, not what the belief would have us think. How can you not base your beliefs on life experiences. You had to experience the bible didn't you, you had to experience walking, reading, everything. Without actual experience your an empty shell, void of the knowledge of senses or understanding. Yep, not a bad description of a monotheist.

obozo - first post "Great piece, now watch the GB descend. " not exactly hatred expressed there.

I noticed only one post where the terms you refered to were used and then in reference to one small part of the christain church - the fundies.

From what I've seen Evan has remained polite the whole way through yet you accuse him of hating all christains. No chance that you are bearing false witness against him?

If you want to see excessive rudeness, veiled hatred and generalised attacks on all believers in a faith have a browse at some of the christian posts regarding muslims or sometimes athiests and agnostics. There you get to see masters in hatred and arrogance at work. Demonstrating the bit that someone once said about "by their fruit you shall know them". Not all christians, just some.

R0bert