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Israel and the land : Comments

By Babu Ranganathan, published 3/8/2006

A biblical perspective: Zionism is fuelling the building and expansion of illegal Israeli settlements on Arab land.

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Hamlet I have no doubt that Israel are committing terrible acts against Islamic people in their region. These acts are also committed by Islamic people in the way of suicide bombings. One has to look at the broader context though. The Muslim population do not see that a state or territory is at war but they see that their whole religion and “nutty” way of life is being threatened. They band together under the banner of Islam. Israel are just trying to survive under this pressure.

I think the West needs to be a little stronger in its handling and control of the Islamic issue. Our civility and humanity will be the downfall of us as our Muslim friends do not speak this language. Why or why do we pander to them… I say be strong in our pursuit of tolerance, equality and the rule of law but be mindful that there are elements out there who do not play the same game.
Posted by NoSoupForYou, Friday, 4 August 2006 12:11:47 AM
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This article is not ill-intentioned, but totally in-credible.

The only place where ripping wombs of pregnant women by a conquering army was ever mentioned, is the bible. It is totally baseless, ridiculous, and therefore places a big question-mark on where Babu got his other facts on which he bases this article.

I also wish it was as easy as Babu naively suggests to achieve peace in the middle east. As Babu said:

"Most Palestinians will stop resistance if Israel simply gets out of the West Bank."

- correct, but what about the others?
How would it help Israel if "only 5%" continue the "resistance" (resistance to what, anyway?)? would it be comforting for Israelis to say: "yes, we are being bombed by rockets, we constantly get suicide bombers on our buses, schools, restaurants, etc., but never mind, it is committed by only a small fraction and most Palestinians actually like us"?

Israel, as a democracy, can more or less curb its extremists (yes, with difficulties, but Ulmert was elected to do just that and had he not been occupied in Lebanon he would be continuing his efforts to gradually evacuate the West Bank settlers), but Palestinians were never able to do so. Arafat could not impose his will on Hamas and even when Hamas itself, decided to lick its wounds and have a temporary cease fire, it was unable to enforce it on the Islamic Jihad organization: there always appears a more violent terrorist group, and the violent keep subjugating the ordinary, peace-loving civilians.

Hamlet,

You don't get to choose your enemies: Al Qaeda never attacked Israel (except with words) - Hezbullah did. It is BTW silly to stack together Israel and the U.S.A, as each has their own separate situation and interests.

I agree that the capture of Vanunu was a big mistake: after all, he helped Israel enhancing its deterrence and should have received a secret medal rather than tried as a traitor. The Arabs long-term in Israeli prisons, however, were not sentenced for treason, but mainly for murder, attempted murder and causing grievous bodily harm.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Friday, 4 August 2006 1:30:31 AM
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Ignorance by the non religous or fundamentalist athiest might ease their conscience but the blood on the hands of the non religous Chinese and Commnunist not to mention the murder of the unborn far outweigh all religous astrocities. Maybe the Man who preached forgiveness and loving your enemies is responsible for more saved lives than any other philosophy
Posted by runner, Friday, 4 August 2006 4:48:25 AM
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Babu,

You ain't a evangelical or christian. You are a biased islamic ...
You mentioned the atrocities on Arabs. You forgot the atrocities on Jews. Jews were killed in many arab countries in 1947. They fled only to a safe place called Israel.

Why do you lie?

Anil
Posted by Anil, Friday, 4 August 2006 3:58:15 PM
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Babu,

You ain't a evangelical or christian. You are a biased islamic ...
You mentioned the atrocities on Arabs. You forgot the atrocities on Jews. Jews were killed in many arab countries in 1947. They fled only to a safe place called Israel.

Why do you lie?
Posted by Anil, Friday, 4 August 2006 3:58:22 PM
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Perhaps one should teach Bombu a History lesson:

1. Long long back, Jews used to live in Israel (defeated Cannanites in War)

2. Babylonians, Romans captured Israel - Jews fled to other countries/got killed and some remained -- 70 A.D

3. Arabs invaded and occupied Israel -- upto 1900s

4. Jews fought and re-gained Israel -- 1947

5. There were 4 Arab-Israel wars b/w 1947 - 1980.. Each time Jews won.

So Bombu

1) If a War is condemned, you should condemn all the above involved.
2) If one gains rights by war - then Jews have the legal authority over Israel as they won the wars.
3) If the people who were occupied by the invaders must claim the land, then Jews are the sole people who gain that right as there are no cannanites now.

In either way , you see you get surprised by the astonishing truth.

So bombu wake u
Posted by Darwin1, Friday, 4 August 2006 7:05:04 PM
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