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As Lebanon bleeds: a savage and unwinnable gambit : Comments

By Pierre Tristam, published 17/7/2006

Israel's offensive against Lebanon is an assault justified by the false rhetoric of self-defence.

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Actually dee, Strewth quoted you correctly. This is what you said here http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=4689#49421:

“Hezbollah and Hamas have fired over 6000 Katusha rockets at Israel over the past few years.”

When in fact your quote of the Israeli spokeswoman refers to them being “deployed” in the area, not fired.

Deployed is different from firing. But no need for you to make such a distinction when you are in full Arab-hating bloodcurdling flight.

“I believed her because she is not the only source. Israeli Intelligence reports (those that are released) state the same.” LOL Gullible is a good word. Isn’t it amazing how they came up with the same thing. A bit like GWB, JH and TB and their “intelligence” which turned out to be “sexed-up” and fabricated.
Posted by tao, Tuesday, 1 August 2006 11:03:08 PM
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BTW dee,

I'm sure I've told you before that I have always found a dictionary a useful tool. Perhaps you should invest in one. You might find one the next time you're out trawling for murderous Islamic texts.
Posted by tao, Tuesday, 1 August 2006 11:12:20 PM
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Tweedle:

More twaddle? Geez tweedle, you don't even evince ANY interest whatever in the facts, do you?

So, for the rest, The Weekend Australian (30/7/06) says: "Hezbollah militants have fired more than 1,500 missiles at northern Israel since the start of the Lebanon conflict on July 12, according to the police and army." Israeli police & army, in a Murdoch publication, Tweedle, what more could you ask for?

I'd hate to think just how much ordnance your heroes have lobbed/dropped on Gaza & Lebanon - 6,000- 10,000? 20,000? Cluster bombs? Phosphorus bombs? What other nasties, & what other nasties in store? Qana x ?

And what have you got against little girls? To all your other sterling qualities, I now add sexism. But, I imagine you're really quite proud of those scribbling messages of peace and goodwill on Israeli shells bound for Lebanese civilians.

Hit the road, Tweedle. We've all had enough of your twaddle.
Posted by Strewth, Wednesday, 2 August 2006 9:20:07 AM
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Tao - the Free Lebanon link stated that 6000-10000 rockets had been deployed in the area (2003), the Israeli spokeswoman stated (July 2006) that 6000 rockets have been fired at Israel over the past couple of years. Makes sense unless the rockets are there for show. But you dont mention that Numbskull accused me of 'making up' the figure and when I supplied my source, he decided that it was 'Zionist propaganda' anyhow. This fundamental dishonesty - my sources are 'propaganda', his are 'fact' - is why any further discussion is a total waste of time.

'next time you're out trawling for murderous Islamic texts'.

I dont reqire a dictionary, the koran alone contains sufficient 'murderous Islamic texts' to satisfy any searcher.

'Isn’t it amazing how they came up with the same thing'.

No. Obviously she got her info from the intelligence reports - thats why they are made.

'Hezbollah militants have fired more than 1,500 missiles at northern Israel since the start of the Lebanon conflict on July 12,'

Dishonest to the end, arent you?

My words: 'fired over 6000 Katusha rockets at Israel over the past few years.'

I never stated that the rockets were fired since July 12 - as you well know. Anything to avoid answering the original question I suppose.

'what have you got against little girls'

Not a thing. I gave them as a comparison because little girls tend to hide their heads or run away at the first sign of trouble. I imagine this would be your behaviour if rockets were fired at you.

'We've all had enough of your twaddle.'

LOL - Do you speak for everyone else now? Im sure you're relieved to see me go (temporarily) since it means you wont continually be asked to answer the simple basic question, 'what would you do if you were an Israeli'.

You are a total hypocrite without the integrity to admit that you live on 'stolen land' yourself.
Posted by dee, Wednesday, 2 August 2006 2:27:10 PM
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Ahem, Space Control to Twaddle: Not so fast. On Monday 31 you wrote: " I got this information from...the Israeli spokeswoman...I see no reason to disbelieve her". You followed this with a supporting quotation re DEPLOYMENT of 6-10000 "Katusha [sic] missiles". Now you're trying to tell us that what she ACTUALLY said was "6000 rockets have been fired at Israel over the past couple of years" without any meaningful citation or mention of who fired them or even if they were Katyushas.

The Australian's Israeli army/police figures "dishonest"? Take it up with The Australian and the Israeli army and police then, before you project your honesty onto me.

Seeing you're determined to go on making an ass of yourself, and assuming that, because you've been on the blower to Rupert and he's confirmed the figure of 1500 based on Israeli army/police figures, you now accept the figure of 1500 since July 12 BUT want to maintain that "Hamas & Hezbollah have fired over 6000 Katusha [sic] rockets at Israel over the past few years" [your assertion of 28 July], please feel free to cite hard evidence of these two organisations firing the other 4500 Katyushas at Israel over the past few years PRIOR to July 12. We'd also like to know just how many were fired by Hezbollah as opposed to Hamas. Have fun.
Posted by Strewth, Wednesday, 2 August 2006 6:00:56 PM
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Strewth, I get the impression that you simply enjoy taking on the role of a troll on here.... its more about mental gymnastics
it seems.

What cannot be denied is that Hezbollah has been firing lots
of rockets at Israel and now that Israel is not just turning the
other cheeck, but responding as they best know how, there is
an outcry.

I try to focus on the big picture. I don't have much time for
any religious fanaticism, be it from the Catholics, the Jews with
the funny hats or the fanatical end of Islam. Most secular
types, from whatever origin, would probably get along just fine,
without all the religious stuff.

The good news is that the Jews are only making a claim to a tiny
little patch of dirt, in relative terms. They are not a proselytising
religion either, unlike the Catholics of Muslims.

This whole thing really started, when Mohammed killed off the Jewish
farmers in Medina, as he formed an army around his so called visions
of his God. Today we know that hearing voices is most likely more
a case of schizophrenia, then anything else.

So my view is give the Jews their Jerusalem, if it matters so much
to them. Give the Muslims their Mecca and Medina, if it means so
much to them. But protest loudly if either of them, or the Catholic
Church, want to take over the world, as they often seem to try.

Pay compensation to anyone who lost land in what is now Israel,
but its too hard to turn back the clock, Israel is not going to go
away, so face reality, its time for the world to move on.
Posted by Yabby, Wednesday, 2 August 2006 9:52:35 PM
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