Yabby

Agreed - the entire debacle in the Middle East is an argument against religion.

However, if the oil deposits weren't so vast, would there be so much participation from vested interests? It all gets down to power, who has it and who wants it. Meanwhile innocent people are murdered.

A muddy, Zionist crustacean surfaces, but the caravan moves on.

Tweedle, How're you proceeding with your 'research'?

Yabby - 'Pay compensation to anyone who lost land in what is now Israel, but its too hard to turn back the clock'

My sentiments exactly.

Numbskull – oh, please! How thick can one person be? The Free Lebanon link states that 6000-10000 rockets had been deployed in Southern Lebanon – ‘Hezbollahland’ as the writer calls it (written in 2003). You appear to have no argument with this.

The Israeli spokeswoman stated that approx. 6000 rockets had been fired at Israel from Southern Lebanon over the past couple of years (she was speaking in July 2006).

The years between 2003 and 2006 constitute a couple of years.

‘The Australian's Israeli army/police figures "dishonest"’?

No, I said that *YOU* are dishonest. The statement in The Australian covers the period from July 12th 2006 to the present. Thats a lot of rockets to fire in a couple of weeks, isnt it? Seems they had lots, doesnt it?

‘please feel free to cite hard evidence of these two organizations’

Why don’t you cite some evidence that it’s a lie? First you claimed that I ‘made it up’ – now you claim it’s a lie. Make up your mind – if you think it’s a lie, ring the Israeli embassy and have the argument with the person who said it. Strange that you concentrate on ‘how many rockets fired’ rather than on the central issue of Israel’s right to defend herself.

Still living on your bit of ‘stolen land’? Lucky that someone already did the dirty work for you - of course, you would never deprive some poor indigenous person of their own land, would you?

Missing link-surely, it is a present for dummies:

http://www.welt.de/data/2006/08/03/984087.html

Hehe Strewth, me thinks I'm right about the troll bit :)

BTW, no zionism involved here, just an awareness that there
is no rational solution for religious fanaticism, no matter
which brand.

The good news about the Jews is that they arn't trying
to claim rights to Londonistan or Sydneystan, they just
want a tiny patch of dirt as their own. As a humble
infidel, I can actually visit Jerusalem as a tourist,
wheras I can't visit Mecca, as I'm not a muslim.

If it was up to me, religion would be a lifestyle choice
and no more, states would be secular, tolerance would
prevail. Thats clearly not going to happen, while the
devout squabble about their so called holy books.

So I try to see all religions from a more objective
perspective then many of the followers. What does
stand out for me is that wherever Islam goes, conflict
seems to follow. At least the Jews arn't trying to
force all of us to bow to Mecca or follow other religious
claptrap. We are also free to say that we think its
claptrap, without risking our necks.

Your caravan might continue, but if you bother to
read Ali Dashti's "23 Years", a history of Mohammed
and his life, you'll learn that if you were part of
a caravan train of camels in his time, he and his followers
might well have attacked you, stolen your possessions and
cut your throat.

Yabby, are you Tweedle's girlfriend?

Tweedle,

Now stop all that squirming around so we can sort this out. I'll keep it really simple: Just answer YES or NO to the following statement and we can move on from there:

Do you stand by the statement of (all quotes yours) "the Israeli spokeswoman" who "stated that approx 6000 rockets had been fired at Israel from South Lebanon over the past couple of years", that is "2003-2006" (2006 meaning up to 30/7)?