Hands off Spider!

His provocative message is exactly what all this conflict about-biological hatred of the Jews in Australia for instance.

The newest developments: Lebanese government was in advance aware by Hizbollah of kidnepping Israeli soldiers, and Russia axed US Iran-related resolution at the Sec Council

Tweedledee: Presumably you live in Australia, a secular, democratic society, with all the benefits that entails. Yet you advocate the opposite in Israel/Palestine. Why do choose to live in an ethnically plural state such as Australia, yet support an ethnically exclusive state in Israel/Palestine? Sounds like schizophrenia to me.

I do not know whom you refer to by using “Tweedledee”, but your cliché of “a secular, democratic society, with all the benefits that entails” / “an ethnically plural state” really “sounds like schizophrenia to me” well acquainted with a xenophobic racist reality of this semi-colony of England where for instance even the most recent The Age articles point out at legalised discrimination in both employment / variety of life opportunities and many other areas, less explicitly understandable for in-majority-products of a local so-called education.

Strewth/Numbskull - ‘Yet you advocate the opposite in Israel/Palestine.’

Strange, I don’t recall advocating any such thing. I supported lsrael’s right to defend herself against those who wish to destroy her. The actions and beliefs of Palestinians are hardly those of people wishing to live in a ‘secular Democratic society’. Where do you get this nonsense? Perhaps it would be more informative to watch what they do, not listen to the lies they spout.

As the Israeli spokeswoman said this week: ‘This war isn’t just about 2 soldiers’.

Hezbollah and Hamas have fired over 6000 Katusha rockets at Israel over the past few years. If a terrorist organisation with the stated aim of annihilating Australia came to power in Indonesia and began to randomly fire missiles at us, what do you imagine would be the response? There would be no hesitation in taking out the launch sites and the support infrastructure.

If these were in civilian areas, what would we do? Israel has airdropped warnings to the locals to get out of the area, but there are reports of Hezbollah preventing civilians from leaving. If it happened to us, would we watch idly as Australian towns were attacked?

This week, Al-Qaida’s No. 2 leader issued a worldwide call for Muslims to rise up in a holy war against Israel and join the fighting in Lebanon and Gaza until Islam reigns from 'Spain to Iraq.'

In the message broadcast by Al-Jazeera television, Ayman al-Zawahri, said that al-Qaida now views 'all the world as a a battlefield open in front of us.'

Is this clear enough? Sounds a lot like a wish to live in a 'secular Democracy', doesnt it?

Tweedledee:

Well, you support Israel as a Jewish state, don't you, one that by its very definition & practice preference's Jews over non-Jews? How'd you feel about me advocating a Christian or a Muslim or Blondes-only state in Australia?

Re the "actions & beliefs of Palestinians", the victim retaliates against the Israeli bully, but you're on the side of the bully and support his right to defend himself. Grotesque.

"Hezbollah and Hamas have fired over 6000 Katusha [sic] rockets at Israel over the past few years." What a statement! Let's break this little piece of disinfo down: a) Document the firing & number of K rockets by Hamas, chapter & verse. b) Document how many K's were fired by Hezbollah BEFORE Hezbollah's RESPONSE to Israel's targeting of Lebanese lives and infrastructure, chapter and verse.

As for al-Qaida, what would you Zionist propagandists do without it? Israel's ACTUAL aggression and destruction fuels a group like al-Qaida which then provides the opportunity for Israel's cheersquad, of which you're obviously a fully paid-up member, to go 'Oooh aaah'. Haven't you got anything better to do?

Strewth/Numbskull - ‘preference's Jews over non-Jews?’

Israel’s foundation as a "Jewish state" is at odds with its political basis of democratic governance when it concerns the Arab minority - undoubtedly there is prejudice against Arabs in Israel. On the other hand, Arabs have more freedom in Israel than the citizens of any Arab state. They vote, elect leaders to the Knesset and have their own political parties and newspapers. They also have full rights to citizenship. Perhaps you could name one Middle Eastern Muslim country where Jews or Christians have any such rights?

If conditions for Arabs are so terrible, why do Arabs continue to flock to Israel? In 1949, the Arab population of Israel was approximately 160,000 - today, it is over 1.2 million. This is because of migration, not higher birth rates.

'Document how many K's were fired by Hezbollah'

I’m sure you’ll tell me and save me the research time although I dont see why it should matter. Hezbollah (according to their own words) expected the usual ‘limited response’ by Israel to the kidnapping of its soldiers. Does that expectation convey anything to you?

‘Grotesque’

You continue to mistake your personal opinion for debate. Perhaps others consider the morally-bankrupt Arafat followers to be 'grotesque'. Keeping your 'wife' in luxury in Paris while your people live in squalid 'camps' could be called 'grotesque'. Teaching toddlers hate songs could be called 'grotesque'. Carrying away body parts from bomb victims could be called 'grotesque'. It depends on ones p.o.v.

‘ what would you Zionist propagandists do without it’

Since I’m not a ‘Zionist propagandist’, I really dont know what they would do without al-Qaeda – live more secure lives, perhaps? Supporting Israel’s right to defend herself doesn’t translate to being a ‘cheer squad’ or any other of your emotive accusations.

‘Haven't you got anything better to do?’

No, being a 'Zionist propagandist' takes up all my time lately- damn, my cheque's not in the mail, they forgot again! A comical question considering that you are the one responding to my posts and making up lame wordplays on my name.