If Israel was wiped off the map, would there be peace in the Middle East?
The truth is that without Israel to hate, the Syrians, Iranians and Lebanese would simply turn on each other and the fighting would go on as it always has.
There is not enough intelligence to understand that co operating with each other would be more profitable that killing each other but then life in the Middle East is cheap......except for the leaders' own skins.

Tweedle: So you're not a Zionist propagandist, eh? I'll make it simple for you. You're a supporter of a Jewish state in Palestine, yes? Establishing, maintaining, defending such a state in Palestine was/is the mission of political Zionism, introduced to the world by Mr Herzl, yes? You're one of the Jewish state's defenders, yes? Now tell us why the moniker Zionist doesn't fit you.

As for propogandist, take your statement: "Hezbollah and Hamas have fired over 6000 katyusha rockets at Israel over the past few years". I put it to you that that is a falsehood, yes? If your answer is no, then I challenge you to show, as I've already asked, to produce evidence, "chapter & verse" as I've put it. You made the claim, so it's simply not good enough to ask me to do "the research" as you put it. It looks, shall we say, shifty, sought of what you'd expect from a propagandist. Now, if you have the courage to admit that it's false, you'll reveal yourself to have plucked it out of thin air or lifted it from a Zionist propagandist. Which, I put it to you, would place you in the ranks of a propagandist, and a Zionist propagandist at that. But at least, if you're prepared to fess up, I'd have some respect for you as a human being.

Numbskull- - "I'd have some respect for you .."

Whatever would make you think that I care about 'respect' from you - a person who is not mature enough to accept that someone may hold a different opinion from your own.

Presumably, you are a non-aboriginal Australian - if so, you are living on land taken from the original indigenous people whose culture was destroyed when the white settlers arrived. If the aboriginals had been more warlike and organised, they may have formed something like Hezbollah or the PLO – let’s call it the Koori Liberation Front and address the following scenario:

The KLO takes refuge in surrounding countries (like PNG or Indonesia) where the governments and many of the population sympathize with its position and provide money and arms to carry on the fight against the white invaders. The KLO vows that they will kill every settler and never stop fighting until the last one is dead. They fire rockets into cities and towns, send suicide bombers and murder civilians. Australia is 200 years old so second and third generations must deal with the situation. Obviously, it cannot be allowed to continue. What would be your solution? You can:

1. Acknowledge that the KLO is right, pack up and leave - but that would not be your choice. If you feel so strongly about living on ‘stolen land’ you would not be living in Australia. You would have given your house/land to the descendents of the original inhabitants and returned to the home(s) of your ancestors. Since you have not done so, I can only assume that you are ok with living on 'occupied land'.

2. Try to negotiate for peace with people who have vowed that they will fight until the last settler is dead and who have refused every deal so far.

3. Fight.

You are now in the same position as the Great Bully Israel – what would you do? Easy to spout morality when it's not you in the hot seat, isnt it?

Tweedle,

What an elaborate attempt at wriggling out of fessing up to the fact that you've been caught out telling porkies: "Hamas & Hezbollah have fired over 6000 Katusha [sic] rockets at Israel over the past few years."

You don't care about earning my respect? Fine, I'm not that desperate. But have some respect for other posters and admit you just made it up, you know, that rubbish about 6000 Katyusha rockets landing on Israel courtesy of Hamas and Hezbollah. Be a mensch and admit that you lied for Israel, that you're really nothing more than a propagandist - a Zionist propagandist. You're in good company, here on OLO.

Come on, don't be shy, we're waiting.......

Dee
and now you have observed first hand the extent to which 'Numbskull's ethical position has been Strewn all over the playground, as he himself ducks and weaves and hides behind 'attack' rather than face up to your (and my) continual attempts to 'out' him as one who himself lives on 'stolen' land. (whether he is in Australia or anywhere... it would still apply)

His morality and ethics are ridden with hypocricy and are a shambles.
Stricken, and with no argument, he lashes out in a vain attempt to stay relevant.

Looking at the Indigenous in fighting in NT at the moment.. "Evil Warriors" and the "Judas Priests"..clan against clan, family against family.. they are not even fighting us.

I find it noteworthy that when the Catholics ran the education/mission, there was 100% attendance at school, and in spite of some blemishes on their moral record, by and large things seem to have been MUCH better socially than they are now with their liberated 'lefy' advisors.

Strewn will avoid at all costs admitting he is the pot calling the kettle black, no, he would just rather use the standard propogandist mode of attacking the opponent.

Well, did you all know that the Explosion (lets not call it an 'Air Strike) which killed all the children and women in Qana was IN FACT DONE BY HEZBOLLAH themselves ? They resorted to their most powerful weapon, public opinion in the West......

Believable ? its as believable as the "CIA/Mossad conspiracy of 9/11" and of course the Israelis making an admission of 'tragic mistake' ? well that tape of course was 'faked'....and so the delusion goes on for the gullable.

So, Strewth, if you havn't got the guts to admit where you live, (country) your religious or ethnic background, you are not worth even being read on this forum. I've indicated clearly my own background and you DUCKED FOR COVER saying we will never know more about you than your nick...

The phrase SNIVELLING COWARD comes to mind ! Or..is it "Cold and Calculating Operative" ?

The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on. We eagerly await your next post, Tweedle.