People need to stop supporting their own destruction. Media need to stop pretending that a bomb dropped from a fighter jet onto a city is different than one delivered on a person. That is a matter of resource. Both are equally wrong. Stop punishing civilians. Stop listening to the warmongers on either side and create new boundaries in how we treat others. Stop treating others like disposable "collateral" and other societies like pawns on a chess board that can be shifted here then there. Stop disrupting others’ lives. Stop treating others differently than the way you want to be treated.

Leaders need to start setting positive examples. World leaders need to stop treating one as legitimate warfare and the other as terrorism. People need to stop treating one group of terrorists differently from another because they have a better equipped Westernised way of warring.

Yes that is a sweeping statement but that is what is needed - a sweeping out of all the stupid kill-kill solutions of the military-minded and conditioned people. Stop letting the rulers drag us into darkness. Just stop for the humanity's sake.

“Final solution” is the talk of people who don’t understand human relationships and the concept of free choice. It must be imposed and denies self determination it is opposite of democracy. It is fascistic. The solution is a long-term and determined maintenance of a peaceful relationships and solutions. Militaristic thinking and warfare need to be reframed as the stupid wasteful process that it is.

Stop being politically correct and show the warmongers what we think of their nonsense.

Boaz consider the old saying: "another man's hurts are easy to bear" when you play your chess.

And the old argument that we should have "no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them" will never be redundant.

We need to aim higher.

Nahum, I accept your intent, being a peaceful conclusion.

How do you get 3 factions of an ideology, hell bent on wiping each other out, because they all believe they are right, to accept peace. You can't be the only one right and have peace with the others. Acceptance of difference is a massive problem for monotheists. No matter how they express their intent, its always the same, I'm right and you must submit, monotheists have no other option. To be otherwise is to deny your illusion is true.

This has been the situation for the last 2000 years, nothings changed, your all in denial. Monotheism uses rhetoric to support killing all the time, its called selective evidence, in support of fiction. An example.

Alan grey wrote “Why is it that guys like Alchemist constantly refer to how belief in God has caused so much death, yet ignore the number of deaths from atheistic societies which are an order of magnitude higher.”

I replied, “Two thousand years of constant cultural genocide and war throughout every place monotheism invades, is surely more significant that 50 years of localised communism, supported by local monotheists.”

Alan then tries to justify his position using vague figures for the last 100 years, representing less than 5% of the duration of monotheistic expression. He selectively dismisses more than 95%. You don't have to be right, I know I'm not, as no one is. The only thing coming to close to being right is change, the true art of perfection. Evolutionary change is the true nature of the universe, not a violent, unchanging, historically repeating delusion.

“Do we actually want peace? “

No, monotheists want control first. History shows us, once monotheism is in control. Peace disappears, as irrational morals are used to suppress the populace, That's not peace but enslavement.

You may be surprised at the number of elite jews in the Nazi hierarchy, note where most Jews ended up.

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/zionmyth2.hhtm

Nahum, peace is in not having to be right.

This link may explain the problem, faced by the followers of god.

http://www.swin.edu.au/victims/resources/assessment/personality/psychopathy_checklist.html

RANCITAS

Amen brother :) actually I agree with pretty much all you said in criticism of me.

1/ You mention 'we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against spritual powers"... YES YES YES.. u get it at last :)

2/ Eph 6.12 Reprove the unfruitful works of Darkness..EXACTLY :)

But if "I" had made such biblical references, I would be condemned as a 'bible basher' :)

Here it is:

BLACK Corner
Muslims=>Islam=> Mohammed=> Satan ! (an imposter who masquerades as an angel of light to deceive humankind, and Mohammed was sucked in HOOK LINE and SINKER)

RED Corner
Israelites=> Abraham=> Gods call to nationhood and land=> God Almighty.

The terms of reference for the ME problem are actually more in Romans 13 than the verses you cite.

"The Emperor holds the sword to deter the evildoer"

While I would urge every Israeli to show compassion even on Hezbollah soldiers captured, I cannot urge this on non Christians, which Israelies mostly are. Or..if I urge it, what basis of hope do I have that they will take any notice ? zip.

To me, the FINAL SOLUTION that I've outlined is the most compassionate. It frees up the sides from perennial conflict on each others doorsteps.

I know the 'connotations' of the words of course, and deliberately used them for that reason. I'm hoping people will see the 'fleshing out' of that term in the points I raise.

I have YET to see an alternative real world solution put foward by any other poster. Your contribution was more a 'warm fuzzy' than a real solution mate...

I am only suggesting what has ALREADY "worked" :)
If you feel that following this method is some kind of cultural genocide, look....at the Jews-after 1900 yrs.. and learn :)

Doom,

I am so glad that the 4000 or so incidents of Islamic murder and mayhem over the last few years has been a figment of my imagination.

But tell me oh DOOMer how would you explain that to the people in the Phillipines, Indonesia, India, Russia, USA, UK, Spain etc, all who have suffered greatly at the hands of Islamic extremists.

How would you explain it to the parents of the two little girls in Indonesia who were walking through a plantation on the way to school but had their heads chopped off, just because they were Christian.Go and do your idiot laughing at them and see how you get on.

I am so glad that the Wahhabis are Not funding the expansion of their radical ideology with the huge sums passed to them by the Saudis.

How do you explain the duplicitous behaviour of Malaysia who tell the world how tolerant they are, but on the last 6 months they have bull dozed 4 Hindu temples on the pretext that they had no permission to build, but were over 100 years old. Come on tell us.

I am so glad that because of my mispelling of Ahmadinejad means that his threats about wiping out Israel never really happened. I am so pleased that I have had so much influence.

Oh by the way how many people in Australia, have been or are up on Terrorism charges in Australia so far. Nine isnt it.?

What an ignorant moron you really are.

Bigmal,
you must be on drugs...what are you raving about this time?

"I am so glad that the 4000 or so incidents of Islamic murder and mayhem over the last few years has been a figment of my imagination.
But tell me oh DOOMer how would you explain that to the people in the Phillipines, Indonesia, India, Russia, USA, UK, Spain etc, all who have suffered greatly at the hands of Islamic extremists." -oh Bigmaler, i could no more explain the workings of your paranoid witless imaginings to the citizens of those countries than i could make sense of them myself.

"I am so glad that because of my mispelling of Ahmadinejad means that his threats about wiping out Israel never really happened. I am so pleased that I have had so much influence." -You still have that troublesome "homework" problem dont you Bigmal? read my last post again,in fact read it a few times so that you can digest what i actually wrote.As to your "influence"...who are you trying to kid?

“I am not brain washed at all, just a realist who has bothered to do my homework,and been involved up close with the Islamic ways".-bigmal,there are three misrepresentations contained in this sentence...can you spot them?

Bigmal...you are a bigoted paranoid clown and a blowhard.Your "facts" are obviously as poorly researched and as unrelated to reality as your spoutings are irrational and ill informed.Your last post is nothing but a noisily regurgitated poorly digested red-herring,which says nothing whatsoever of any relevance,but thats your trademark really isnt it?

"Ra'anan Gissin, former prime minister Ariel Sharon's recently sidelined spokesman, had advice Thursday for how Israel should be waging its public relations campaign: "Emphasize Iran, Iran and Iran." Gissin said that over the past three years Israel has gotten the message across that the Iranian nuclear threat was not only an Israeli problem, but something that should concern the whole world. "Let us not forget that Hizb'Allah's first attack was in 1983, against the US Marine barracks that killed 241 people," he said. "Just as we introduced the idea that the Iranian nuclear threat was not just an Israeli problem, so is the Hizb'Allah-Iranian terrorist axis not just an Israeli problem."