Alan grey, desperate to support illusion eh. I'll leave it to others to determine your veracity regarding the links. Demographic deaths caused by governments has no relation to deaths caused by monotheistic invasion throughout the world, nor the number of people destroyed by any ideology.

Hitler was actively supported by the catholic and Jewish Church, Marx supported by the orthodox and Jewish church, virtually every other
war actively supported by the resident monotheists faction.

You reinforce the growing belief held by many intelligent psychological scholars, that monotheists display classical symptoms of pathological psychopathy, in their desperate and violent desire against all the evidence to be right.

Your can either be right against fact, or have peace, not both. That's why monotheism is so violent, it must enforce and suppress to get its illusions across, it lacks substance, only supported by delusion and suppressive violence.

This in typical psychopathic behaviour, delusion overtakes reality. When the deluded realise they are losing and reality is breaking down their fantasy, they resort to denial, confrontation, threats, blame shifting, then violence and illusionary justification.

Keep up the good work Alan, you and your ilk are certainly not letting the side down.

Nahum, God is never misappropriated, if you support something, you use it, not misappropriate it, another poor excuse.

“stories of passive resistance like those of Ghandi, Oscar Romero, Martin Luther King. “

Again you use violence as a measure for your belief, revelling in death.

Morals are a religious suppression, ethics are universal

“As humans, our spirits are lifted by the hope we find in God “,

The only hope in god is death, there's no other evidence available, except delusion and revolving door fantasy. We're all hypocrites until we find the truth of ourselves. That only comes when your free of dogma and meaningless illusion, take full responsibility and accept the reality of change and difference. Until then you are just a manipulated clone of illusion, a monotheist.

Bushbred, don't forget the hundreds of years of persecution and genocide, suffered by the many millions of non violent Romany, inflicted by all god factions

Ah Alchemist, does your irrationality know any bounds.
I provide links to data gleaned from decades of research and all you provide is rhetoric. If death caused by governments has no relation to deaths caused by monotheistic invasion, then how do you know how many deaths have been caused by said invasions? If deaths caused by the atheistic communist regime's do not have to do with ideology what does?

Your painfully transparent attempt at an ad hominem and appeal to authority by involing 'intelligent psychological scholars' which are never named is just another example of your bankrupt argument.

When you provide the numbers to prove your ridiculous assertion instead of just this nonsensical rant I will listen. Until then, your unhinged rant only serves to demonstrate that you are the one who is deluded and in denial. The death and destruction caused by the religion of Atheism has been the worst in history. If you look into it, many of the guilty atheists spewed the same bigoted antitheistic rubbish that you are regurgitating here.

This is further evidenced by your nonsensical comments to Nahum
"God is never misappropriated, if you support something, you use it, not misappropriate it" You seem unable to even consider the idea of an Objectively real personal God. Such an intellectual failing is obviously part of your lack of rationality.

"Morals are a religious suppression, ethics are universal"
This is even more ridiculous than your claims about monotheistic violence. There is no difference between morality and ethics. If there is no God, there is no such thing and so by your own beliefs you are spouting irrational nonsense.

There is at least one thing we agree on though. Truth is important. It is just a pity you are so close minded and bigoted, otherwise you might turn and realise how little of your beliefs are rational.

Bushbred,

"Certainly the Jews as a people have been immorally persecuted over the centuries more than any race under the sun"

This is a common assumption whenever someone talks about the Jews, but is it really fair?

Some historians say 1.5 million and others say up to 6 million Jews died in the Holocaust. There is just no evidence to support the numbers, but lets just accept, say 3 million dead.

In WW2 something like 40-50 million people died. Why are the Jews so special that their dead must be commerated in every city in the world with special days, memorials, museums and so forth. What about the 20 million Russians (moslty civilians) that died? Do they count for nothing? What about the millions upon millions of Chinese who died under the brutal Japanese occupation?

Have you ever heard of black slavery?

Something like 3000 children die every day TODAY due to preventable diseases like diarrhea. But all we ever hear about is 'Jewish suffering'.

The Jews are about the wealthiest, best educated, most organised, politically active and well funded religious/ethnic group in the world.

The world is full of suffering and always has been. But obviously, if you have the money and politcal muscle, it's only your suffering that counts.

Alchemist, are you sure the Jews supported Hitler?

This article was originally about the redundancy of arguments appealing to the high moral ground. Somewhere in this conflict, one side has to take responsibility for their part in this tragedy.

The Israeli army has to take responsibility for a history of disproportionate responses and incursions, the latest of which is happening in Lebanon presently. Instead of justifying their action with the cliched arguments, "Hezbollah are terrorists, and if Lebanon won't take action, then we must take action to protect our citizens and win the return of our soldiers," Israel must take responsibility for the part it has played in this tragedy.

And if Israel is too juvenile, unable to consider its own complicity, then Lebanon must, in calling for peace, appeal to Hezbollah to stop its actions. It must also accept some responsibility for it's failure to stop Hezbollah.

And the Palestinians must talk in terms of their own complicity. People need to stop blaming one another, and accept some responsibility.

Without that, nobody can move on.

I still believe that Israel, along with the more stable countries in the region have the capacity to pursue a diplomatic solution. But first Israel must stop killing and start negotiating.

To which somebody will respond, "How does one negotiate with someone that will only be happy with your anihilation?" This is a giant straw man. Israel has the best defence force in the region, and has the support of the US. If Iran and Syria acted on what some in Israel suggest is their stated aim, the international community would act in support of Israel.

The idea of an Arab design on Israel's anihilation is a furphy, and it's another supporting argument which has been used by generations of Israelis, instead of truly pursuing peace.

I'm not blaming Israel here. In fact, I don't want one side to WIN at the expense of another. But if we want peace, both sides have got to kill the rhetoric, instead of using their rhetoric to support their killing.

Do we actually want peace?

Nahum says: "The victims are the citizens of both Israel and Palestine. Due to the ridiculous amounts of money designated to defence, Israel's government spending is held hostage to its militarism. Schools, universities, hospitals, research, technology are starved to pay for its futile war."

Agreed. The victims are also Lebanese folk, and peoples around the world who suffer because of the expense of "military solutions". Military solutions must be seen for what they are - terrorism. War is terrorism and more civilians die in these conflicts than soldiers. Soldiers often choose war. Innocent civilians usually just want to be left alone.

Boaz your use of the term "Final Solution". This is commonly used to describe the Cambodian Holocaust where millions died and suggests callousness on your part beyond normal sensible behaviour. The real solution is in your Bible, no doubt in one of those parts that doesn't agree with your opinion- or which you will no doubt spin to suit your own daft “policy”.

Boaz: Why don't you quote Ephesians 6:12?

"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."


The way to prevent war is for civilians to stop. Stop making bombs, stop joining armies, stop killing other humans, stop racist attitudes, stop, just f*&king stop supporting militarism. Stop supporting hateful right-wing thinkers. Stop supporting terrorism. Stop voting for "petit poulet" leaders, like Howard, who is even too chicken shieet to address the wrongness of Israel's over-zealous behaviour in the Middle East Stop voting for warmongers

Big Mal…

”Iran in particular has repeatedly said that it wants to wipe Israel off the face of the map. Rest assurred if they win that round, it won't be long before we are in their sights precisely because that is their religious belief.” …Are you for real? Do you really believe Iran is plotting your imminent destruction? Have you stocked up on canned goods?

“In terms of constancy of threat, I rate terrorism Islam and its underlying moronic religious platform a far greater threat to western society…etc”…I see the threat to us from Islam as roughly equivalent to the threat posed to us by your poor spelling and grammar….who’s the moron again?

“I am not brain washed at all, just a realist who has bothered to do my homework,and been involved up close with the Islamic ways.” What…some of your best friends are Moslems? You tried to convert one once? You saw one once at your local shopping centre? (i hope you kept a safe distance because you and I both know that all Moslems are bomb-crazy, bloodthirsty fanatics seeking our immediate destruction and that Islam is a “murderous death cult “)

“What about the role of the idiot madman in Iraq, Ahmadninejad etc …”be honest Bigmal….when you said you’d done your homework that wasn’t really true was it? What country is Ahmadninejad president of again?

To sum up Bigmal…a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, and you are one of the most “dangerous” people I’ve laughed at all day. Thanks for the comedy..