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Claiming the moral high ground : Comments

By Nahum Ayliffe, published 19/7/2006

Israel-Palestine: why the old arguments have become redundant.

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Heh Alchemist...your funny in an irrational kind of way

'Alan, I believe the observable world evidence supports the effect monotheism has on indigenous cultures. Name one culture, surviving monotheistic invasion of their lands, in the past or currently."
India.

Next please.

Oh, and it certainly sounds like you think you are right.

And if we are never right, then how can we ever be learning, because learning involves moving from a wrong belief to a right belief.

psychopathic? lol. I'm forcing my being right onto others? Is that right? Are you trying to force that on me? Please Alchemist, you can't even hold a conversation without showing refuting your own position.

The only real denial going on here is your own. You continue to spout irrational nonsense where you pretend that no one is right, except for you apparently.
Posted by Alan Grey, Wednesday, 26 July 2006 1:46:40 PM
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TurnRightThenLeft you say: "Whilst I tend to disagree with Boaz's extreme arguments, he has put forward a solution of sorts. It may not be ideal, it may not even be practical, but it is something."
TRTL, Boaz's solution is more of the same. Anyone can post a solution. Moreover, his support, not only for Israel but for their unnecessary and inhumane bombing of Lebanon, pretty well discredits his "final solution". His solution is clearly tainted by his ideological position and religious conviction. He has displayed an inability to step back and look at the situation (defamiliarisation) without his ideological and religiosity impeding his view. For instance: BD suggests the Arabs need to be moved on not the Israelis. Bias to be sure.

Just briefly on this point. In 1870 the nation states of Europe embarked on an arms race of sorts. This ultimately led to two world wars. Secular ideologies have proven to be just as murderous as religious bigotry. The Nazi Holocaust and the Soviet Gulag are a direct result of this militaristic thinking. These two wars have not stopped war. The warmongering has to stop or it will happen again.

Now, why stop. Well. Thought precedes action. If we use the old psychologist’s method of just thinking "no more"; and just stop going along with the idea that might is right; that war is an acceptable form of conflict resolution; get back in touch with our humanity, then it is a least a start towards a more sensible global society. War only begets more war.

The way it is now, if people disagree, they work towards destroying you rather than a solution. I am not a naive airy-fairy S.N.A.G., I am well aware of the exigencies of dealing with mentally-wounded and bloody-minded people
Posted by rancitas, Wednesday, 26 July 2006 3:53:58 PM
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TurnRightThenLeft: I didn't present a “solution” because it would be arrogant of me to assume that such a difficult task can be handled in a blogspot. I would like to see what a foreign policy expert has to say. The Camp David Accords haven't worked so Rancitas in blogspot commentary would be of little use.
Nevertheless, I'd hardly call bombing the bejesus out of a nation "practical" or stirring up more conflict with plans like Boaz’s. So I am, indeed, suggesting precisely that we do take a more practical, albiet, seemingly in a militaristic- conditioned mindset, an impractical approach. Instead of relying on rulers - the people need to stop participating in warfare. Who is designing and supplying, for instance, all this weaponry. The consciousness of people, especially, Middle Eastern folk needs to be reshaped. You won't do that by condoning this kind of violence the way Bush and Howard have been.
You see I think the problem with the world in relation to situations like this is that a mass psychology has developed that is dangerous because it has lost contact with the basic principles of humanity
Boaz every time you look at a stop sign think of Rancitas. Also just imagine he has stencilled in war under STOP. STOP war. Under your extreme militaristic thinking where a school girl who has been traumatised by Israeli bombing raids losing her cool is an excuse for mass slaughter - I guess you would be looking at bombing my neighbourhood. Or is just Third-World Muslims that attract the rathe of God (and His fighter jets).



You see I think the problem with the world in relation to situations like this is that a mass psychology has developed that is dangerous because it has lost contact with the basic principles of humanity. Warfare as a means to end is a plain stupid process.
Posted by rancitas, Wednesday, 26 July 2006 3:56:28 PM
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Alan Grey, you right, monotheists are always right, so I shall except the historical evidence of you being right. Your more intelligent than most, so I bow to your superior understanding of life and what it entails.

I hope the joy, peace and satisfaction your currently getting out of your life, is enhanced ten fold, you deserve it in your god inspired knowledge and righteousness dedication.

I know you don't need to provide evidence for your god inspired view of the world, your right, gods always right. We see throughout the world, how righteous your god is in its expression. How well it takes care of its flock, how uplifting its bombardments of innocents is in the name of being right.

Yes Alan your very moral, upstanding full of compassion, filled with the love of god and expressing it in caring understanding. Your knowledge knows no bounds as it come forth in ever increasing intensity from the heart of you lord and master.

Your right, I'm irrational to feel for those being killed by your god, one should rejoice in the spreading of gods word by its loyal subjects, in the method we are all accustomed to. True we can only learn if we're right, as you don't have to look at anything else, no need, your right, everything else is irrelevant.

So enjoy being right and I shall enjoy learning how wrong I am, from the followers of gods superior intelligence, that's guiding them on their peaceful, moral journey in life as they gently educate others in their righteous ways. Yes compassion at the end of a gun, is so righteous and moral. May god heap it's most expressed blessings on your soul, to satisfy your deep desire, to reside by its side.
Posted by The alchemist, Wednesday, 26 July 2006 6:41:00 PM
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Lol Alchemist. Once again more rhetoric, no evidence. In fact, in response to hard numbers you have provided none of your own.

If you want to misrepresent my position in your sarcastic post that is fine, but just realise that you are not fooling anyone with your dishonesty.

Have a nice day. I'm praying for you.
Posted by Alan Grey, Thursday, 27 July 2006 5:04:49 PM
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