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Racism is not simply black and white : Comments

By Ghassan Hage, published 16/6/2006

Discrimination and bias can exist among minority groups too.

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No Redneck, you provide the evidence (scientific and validated) that white people are the most intelligent humans in this world.

I've asked you to provide this evidence before and you failed to comply.

Now why don't you get to it and do some research at your local university library. Beware that you might have to browse the books with Arts students and lecturers and academic researchers
Posted by Rainier, Monday, 26 June 2006 9:58:40 AM
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Rainer, Boaz,Redneck et el,

I am white European and a very naughty boy to boot, and according to the racists, I am a "bloody idiot."

Ye Gods. You lot would drive a person to drink, especially, you Boaz.

I'm sitting in me local now. Come on down and I'll go to water.

Two pints of lager and a packet of crisps please!

What do mean ya' want me to put me lap top away in da' bar!

Free world, thus pubs is free, stuff ya' ambiance and mood its a f*king pub for Christ's sake.

Can I p-l-e-a-s-e have a Guinness and some crisps and make sure its St. James. Come on Paddy - be fair.

What's that Paddy you say: "Just stop your whining Ranc. The new girl will be wiv' ya in a tick."

Boaz, pray for a couple a Guinness for Rancitas et el. Ya' turned me ta' drink - so, as you got God in your corner, get him to send me two pints and packet. Why is everything so difficult? I jus' wanna a couple of brews. It's me white blood.

Oh God why won't someone listen to me?

Oh God why won't someone serve me?

TWO GUINESS AND SOME CHIPS DOWN HERE P-L-E-A-S-E!

When the barmaid isn't listening and you need a drink and there is a hearse waiting in the drivethrough, you know you died of thirst whilst waiting for a redneck barmaid (Jobsearch client?) to drop a Guinness down your way.

Here she comes. At last. I am positively salivating now. Thank God for me will ya' Boaz.

What did the barmaid say CyberRainer? "Can't you read the sign. No blacks, no Irish and no dogs."

Paddy - the new girl won't serve me.

What you saying to Rancitas: "Put ya' lap top away."

You put ya' stupid sign away and serve me first.

There you go girls we already met.
Posted by rancitas, Monday, 26 June 2006 2:21:13 PM
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I always enjoy amateur comedy; it reminds me of those 'come one, come all' TV talent shows we don't see anymore - where some joker who got a few laughs down at the local takes this to be a sign from GOD that he/she should go for bigger and better things in showbiz, but alas, its not meant to be.

I didn’t laugh once, I tried to, but it just wouldn’t come.
Oh well. :(
Posted by Rainier, Monday, 26 June 2006 5:28:29 PM
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Back again for some more lumps, Rainier?

I was not going to bother wasting another post on you, but since David Boaz is a bit slow in replying to my last post,I guess I am not losing anything.

I sure hope your Artz students are reading this.

The premise is, is the white race superior to all others?

That depends upon how you define "superior", but I think most people would agree that intelligence is most definitely a factor on perceived notions of superiority. The only direct evidence I have is from the book "The Bell Curve" that indicates that, according to IQ tests administered over fifty years in the USA, African Americans have a most common IQ of 85, whites 103, and Asians 106. Since I agree that this is probably right, I must be an "Asian Supremacist."

Now, if you believe that all races are equal in every possible way, then where is YOUR scientific evidence to back up your own claim?

But I know exactly what you will do. You will, once again, ignore any question put to you that you do not want to answer.

Any impartial observer who is reading this debate would conclude that I at least answer questions while you will never answer any question, even questions put to you, over and over again. They would therefore conclude that I am debating honestly while you, Rainier, is simply playing the role of Grand Inquisitor, dishonestly demanding your opponent do all the work while you submit nothing.

But the most laughable part of your position is that once again, you are pretending to be non racist. But you and I both know that you are just as racist as I am am, probably more. That is why you have consistently refused to answer the critical question of how do you reconcile the obvious contradiction in your own stated position?

You can not claim to be non racist if you proudly proclaim that you are an advocate for "my people" and support racial discrimination that aids their self interest.
Posted by redneck, Tuesday, 27 June 2006 5:00:48 AM
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Hi Reddy
I'll give it a go.

Ok.. 2 points.

1/ My "Statement" could be described as rhetoric I suppose. I didn't think it needed specific evidence for the self evident. Anyway, one problem with your argument is your use of the term 'crime'. Crime is relative to the existing legal framework. You will find that the people groups you desire to cocoon in the 'Higher proclivity to crime' mob are most likely very law abiding among their own group. A notable exception currently is the problems in some Indigenous communities, but I blame not 'genes' but booze,porn and historical issues.(all from we WHITEYS)

I've seen this in Borneo, where one tribe is described as 'militant, arrogant, war like' (Iban/Dayaks) and another 'humble, quiet,docile and friendly' like the Punan nomads. The Kelabits are 'outgoing, generous,hospitable' but their linguistic cousins the Lun Bawang are the same in every respect except 'outgoing', they are more quiet and reserved.

The problem comes when you put a Punan child with an Iban/Dayak family for upbringing. He will manifest the same 'warrior,arrogant' etc personality as his adopted family, and vice versa.

2/ Dog Breeds. Yes, you do have a point there, I won't deny it. Different breeds have different temperements. Pitbulls are rather vicious and Labradors are passive. I wonder what would be the result if a Pitbull pup was raised by a Labrador mummy :) ?

So, was it 'breeding/genes' or was it 'Maternal bonding/imitation/and observation/copying of the child, or pup which produced the personality ?

I honestly don't know.

My main 'evidence' for the problem with your 'genetic' theory is that I've seen Phds from various tribal backgrounds, have been simply humbled, even intimidated at times, at the awe inspiring intelligence of some illiterate people of darker/asian race.

Again.. if you left out the 'crime' aspect your argument would be stronger, but still not acceptable.
I come down on the side of 'culture/upbringing/History' in the human realm as being the determinative factors in behavior.
Posted by BOAZ_David, Tuesday, 27 June 2006 11:04:40 AM
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Well, Ghassan, you must be enjoying having your every point so beautifully illustrated in the posts above.
Here are a few of my pre-judgements and stereotypings; we are all racist and sexist and ageist and classist. We go around making judgements about the people we see all the time. trouble is, when we actually get to know the people we've judged we often find out we were completely wrong. Some people, some of the time are able to reflect on that and, as they grow older and more experienced, may become a little more cautious about judging on appearances - which may include, race, gender, age, accent and dress. The wisest and most admirable people I've ever met (some of whom I judged erroneously before I got to know them) are very slow to pass judgement on others, preferring to assume the best about people until they are proved wrong, or, as most usually happens, proved right.
I have always told my daughters that what you give out to the world is what you'll get back. In other words, if you go around with as open and accepting and optimistic frame of mind as you can manage, that is how the world will mostly react to you. If you go around with a narrow, suspicious, anxious, judgemental frame of mind, well, that's just the reaction you'll get back. If you assume others are inferior, they'll think the same of you. If you think others are dangerous or stupid or out for what they can get, that's what they'll think of you.
most people, I've found, are good people, wherever they come from and whatever their background. i couldn't give a rats about their IQ.
Posted by ena, Tuesday, 27 June 2006 3:41:14 PM
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