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Protecting our national interests? : Comments

By Gary Brown, published 5/5/2006

The pervasive, self-perpetuating, pro-Jakarta mindset in our international relations bureaucracy has become a canker on the Australian body politic.

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@Perseus:

Whatever goodwill the fact that the mother-in-law of your nephew is Indonesian may have created has been completely extinguished by your call for the destruction of our country Indonesia.

@mickijo:

Who is responsible for genocide against Indians in America? WHITES

Who is responsible for genocide against Australian Aborigines? WHITES

Who is responsible for "apartheid" against blacks in South Africa? WHITES

Who is responsible for the evil exploitation and human rights abuses of colonialism? WHITES

Whites are world-champion in terms of racism. Any racism by other races is like a drop of water compared with the ocean of white racism!

@Ludwig:

So you're guaranteeing that extremist and delusional people like Perseus, Kek-O, Philo, etc are only tiny fraction of tiny fraction of of Australian populace?

@Mhoram:

LOL, unfortunately these "options" are not available for Australia as they are not realistic. Actions (1), (2), (3) will cause a war with Indonesia, a war in which Australia as an aggressor will find no ally and a war you will lose.

You also need to learn the position of Australia in world food-chain: STOOGE OF USA. USA is good friend and ally of Indonesia, so Australia also follow USA's orders and consider Indonesia as good friend. Hence, when Indonesian govt complains about your immigration policy, your PM Howard changes your law. If Australia attacks Indonesia, you'll find yourself in trouble with USA. Remember, East Timor was given its independence by Indonesian president Habibie, not by Australia who have no role in the process.

No Australian govt will be dumb enough to make war with Indonesia and have confrontation with USA.
Posted by Proud to be Indonesian, Thursday, 11 May 2006 2:21:56 AM
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PTBI,
But when push came to shove in September 1999, the US lined up against Indonesia and effectively forced Habibie to accept Australian and Interfet troops on its soil by implicitly threatening withdrawal of IMF funds. Until this happened on September 11, Indonesia was still refusing to allow troops in to control the militias.
Posted by rogindon, Thursday, 11 May 2006 9:10:56 AM
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@rogindon:

LOL, your "Interfet" is just a PR exercise which makes no difference to East Timor.

Indonesian soldiers pulled-out of East Timor according to its own scheduled plan after the results of referendum came out, at around November 1999, three months after Interfet's entrance. The referendum itself was suddenly announced by President Habibie in January 1999, since he was eager to get rid of East Timor which he called "peeble in our shoes". It is clear it is our president Habibie that expelled East Timor from Indonesia through referendum. He is the person who gave East Timor its independence, while Australia had around zero influence to change the course of events.

What exactly did your "Interfet" change? The referendum was held according to Indonesian plan, after the results came out East Timor "diratakan dengan tanah" according to Indonesian plan, Indonesian soldiers withdrew according to Indonesian plan, East Timor was given its independence through period of UN rule according to Indonesian plan. The whole affair was 100% controlled from start-to-finish by Indonesia.

Your "Interfet" might as well be stricken from historical record since they did not made any noteworthy contribution.
Posted by Proud to be Indonesian, Thursday, 11 May 2006 12:29:39 PM
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proud to be indon. I would suggest you get some new reading,your old history books are years out of date. Yep! whites did do all that, they used to drown witches too but we have grown up a bit since then.
Next time you switch on the light, drive in a car, take medical tests, Xrays ect, fly in a plane,look at a watch, ect ect, think to yourself ,'White people invented all that' and stop using those conveniences simply because the white people you hate so dramatically made 'em all.
What wonderful inventions have come out of Indonesia...apart from bombers who kill innocents?
Posted by mickijo, Thursday, 11 May 2006 2:22:08 PM
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It is fairly obvious, now, that PTBI has a mental age of about 12, and that of an over indulged punk at that. He is not representative of adult Indonesians who are far more discerning in their statements and measured in their judgements. We are just being jerked off by an embassy staffer's kid.
Posted by Perseus, Thursday, 11 May 2006 3:25:00 PM
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I was priviledged to have been invited to Fretilin's Conference 15th to 20 May 2000 as "Convidado" and also have the honour to address the Conference.
The resilience of the Maubere people never ceased to amaze and impress me but they were happy to have seen the back of the Indonesian Vandals who stole everything they could dismantle and burn or destroy the rest. Coffee plantations belonging to Timorese that the Generals had stolen the crops for 24 years were razed to the ground.
The Indonesians had intimidated the people before the referendum to vote for autonomy not Independence making it clear they would destroy everything if the vote was for Independence.Australians witnessed TV coverage of the violence of TNI militias
They herded around 150,000 hostages and took them across the border to West Timor. Many are still there afraid to return because of rumours spread by the TNI's militia criminals.
So much for Indonesia's orderly withdrawal.
The only 'good' indonesians stayed behind in Santa Cruz Indonesian Cemetery under a field of maize...Whilst the Generals and their militia thugs responsible for the carnage have still not been brought to justice by the corrupt Indonesian Legal System.
I know what the West Papuans are suffering and the world is slowly becoming aware of the real truth.
Meanwhile, the fledgling East Timor Nation is experiencing teething problems which to a large extent is being perpetrated to destabilise the Government.
The difference between East Timor and West Papua is that the world media has access to East Timor to see for themselves whereas true to form, Indonesia has closed access to independent foreign Journalists and observers while they spread misinformation through cretins like 'Indonesian Ali'
Posted by maracas, Thursday, 11 May 2006 5:03:47 PM
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