tao,
Belly has been brainwashed by the Australia's Weakest Union's crap, he thinks Bill Shorten is the second coming of Christ, he is unable to see Shorten for who and what he really is. He has the perception that his small area is typical of the rest of the union, which of course it is not. While the awu controls the ALP nothing will change for working families, you are wasting your time trying to bring Belly back to Earth from Zircon.

Tao and shonga, You scabs should wake up to yourselves, you have been brainwashed by Howard. You heard about that disabled man in a wheelchair who could not speak, walk or even hold his head up was being forced to work for the dole or do a course or lose some payment.

Now he will go into a home because his old parents were at financial breaking point. It happened last week. Read it sunday mail Qld. This is the proud Government who rushed though the "welfare to work bill" which is why the above happened, and well their at it rammed though the workchoices bill.

That's right after we got told Howard wants to sell telstra.
You may not be aware that all debates on these bills were gagged.

Tao, shonga what about AWB. 300 million in bribes and the Government refuse to investigate themselves. That'sright, now they want to sell offsnowy hydro as well.
This Government is also doing nothing positive for the environment.

The workchoices bill was rushed and so badly written that no High court judge could put there name on it. The judges know that it is most likely against the constitution and the corporations power was never to be meant for such purposes.
This "work choices bill" has already began to lower wages as we saw
with the spotlight employees last week. Over $4000 lost per year because they lost overtime rates and conditions. You both have the hide to run down the ALP after what I just informed you about this current Australian government.

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The only people who would bother to defend the work choices and welfare to work bills would be coalition senators who are afraid and embarrassed about their actions. These men and women of honor who were begged by the churches not to pass these bills. They basically told the church to mind their own business. I don'tknow Bill Shorten do you both, I didn't think so, and yet you judge this man badly and for no reason. If you did not know about the above facts, fair enough. But if you did know, and I think you did, then you both lack morals and are weak of character and basically are grubby people.

The author started this thread with a well put together reason why Labor should show Australia a better way.
In his first post SHONGA said Labor does not deserve to govern! then along with Tao a continueing asult on Labor and the union movement continues.
Can you see the task ahead for Labor?Workchoices a purely evil act with the duel purposes of distroying unionism and undermineing Labors financial stability has frends.
Within the non conservative voters you find Howard has frends! other outcomes of workchoices lower liveing standards of all who work, yet the unrealistic and childlike view that dead and buryed socialism is the answer?
The better way Labor will one day show Australia is New Labor, long term goverment Labor, we benefit from actions of Keiting and Hawke yet some say they betrayed us?
Surely gentlemen you are not waiting for socialism to undo workchoices?
Australias Weakest Union? note I will not tell of the threats and shamefull events I have witnessed at work, but men of good will know failing to act radicaly is no sign of weakness, my members may judge me.
The Australian Labor Party has no need of those so willing to denie the party and the union movement to try to overcome me.
I will never turn on my party, my union or my class, if that makes me weak then it also makes me proud.
Workchoices is the enemy of all who work and its frends are my enemy always.

Sly,Belly,tao,
I am an ALP member and have been for 30 years, I am a unionist, who believes very much in unionism. For decades I have seen unionism and my Great Party undermined by the awu, and awu faction right wing politicians, to the extent the public believe the ALP has sold out to these right wing conservative forces. Until the ALP either gains membership of centrist or leftist people to balance out the destructive image that the right wing display, we will continue to be the largest pressure group in Australia.

The awu are a "clayton's" union, which are not really affected by "workchoice" legislation, it affects real unions, the C.F.M.E.U. B.L.F. A.S.U etc. Unions who really represent their members. I would suggest to those opposed to me to check out the politicians of the "shadow ministery" see how many you can find who have had a working class background? For example Wayne Swan was a Uni lecturer, Kim Carr at least had a 10 year stint as a tech teacher. The point is if you haven't lived the life, you cannot possibly know how this and other legislation affects ordinary families. When my party makes it's way back to the centre of politics, instead of following Howard further to the right, I will again vote for them. I do not believe in rewarding people not deserving of reward.

Shonga

I agree with you 100% mate.