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The ALP should take on the IR laws : Comments

By Mark Hearn and Grant Michelson, published 20/4/2006

Labor should be bold enough to offer Australia a better way.

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Tao, come the Revolution. You are a bit like a green promising to end Global warming. The Green can promise the world, they never be called to deliver, because the chance of them being in power is Zilch. Get inside the ALP tent and start pissing Tao, we need revolutionaries like you.
Posted by hedgehog, Wednesday, 31 May 2006 9:36:31 AM
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Bring on the ALP, Howard and the coalition can look you in the eye and say with a straight face the earth is flat. Go back 15 to 20 years and no one liked Howard because they could see straight though him. Next time you have that vote in front of you, vote 1 labor or geens , democrates, independent. I would rather a sensible 15yo run this country than the current Libs and Nats.

Dear Interest rate voters, your vote is the reason for this current mob of Cowards. Howard does not control interest rates.

Work Choices is going to cost 500 million+ to implement, A real leader would of spent that on renewable energy and childcare.
Posted by Sly, Wednesday, 31 May 2006 2:39:41 PM
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hedgehog,

I'll ask it again. Which part of what I said was not true? Did your union call on other unions to call a general strike? If not, why not?

How does your union propose to defeat WorkChoices? Which union is your union by the way?

You should be able to answer these questions. Your members, and the Australian public generally, are entitled to know. Will you now become like Belly, that other trade unionist who can't answer a direct question without blithering trite union slogans?

You can dismiss me as some radical if you like, but you'd have to agree that about 75% of the workforce consider unions redundant.

If you want me or anyone else to join your union, or the ALP, you ought to be able to articulate their strategy.
Posted by tao, Wednesday, 31 May 2006 6:40:47 PM
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tao,
The Whitlam ALP had a philosophy of egaletarianism, the current ALP has a philosophy of winning government using the small target theory. Allow Howard to become unpopular and win by default. Whitlam came to government with a full set of policies ready to impliment, Beazley doesn't have policies, or if he does, he doesn't sell them very well. My former Union was the ASU, they really tried to assist me with my grievences with my employer, got me back pay I was owed, and stuck it up them on many occassions.

Employers have unions, they call them associations e.g. AMA, workers should have their own associations {unions} to lobby on their behalf, but also to defend workers when they are hardly done by. Clayton's unions like the awu, nuw are merely the employers lick men.
If ever there was cause for a national strike workchoices was it. If working people stick together we cannot be beaten, if every unionist in Australia struck, there would not be enough jails to house us.

Working people have been going backward for decades under both Labor and Liberal governments, Keating did half of Howard's job for him when he introduced enterprise bargaining, another right wing Labor policy, driven by the awu, the beginning of the end. With friends like the awu, working people don't need enemies, an incoming mass of centre and left wing radicals like myself is needed to swing the ALP back to the direction it was begun. The workers.
Posted by SHONGA, Wednesday, 31 May 2006 8:08:25 PM
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Tao, i have worked for the AMWU for 10 years and the LHMU for 10 years. A general strike? What stopped u and others all stopping on the 30th June 2005 and again on 15th Nov. 2005? You and others like you will have the oppurtunity to publicy show your disdain for these draconian laws on the 28th June 2006.
Nowhere in any of my postings have i suggested that Unions are infallible, and not guilty of errors of judgement. The union movement is still the biggest club in this country.
Part of its demise is due to its success. All the FREELOADERS (yes u Tao) thinking that thier wages and conditions fell from the sky, are in for an almighty shock. Tao, get out the cheap seats, stop slagging off like some old muppett and contribute.If u can advise of another organisation that will defend workers intrests better than the Union movement, i would appreciate it. I would join it in a flash.
Until then i will continue to piss from within the tent,you should do the same.
Posted by hedgehog, Thursday, 1 June 2006 9:54:23 AM
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tao,
hedgehog has the right idea mate, join a union and the ALP and whiteant from within, I do, and I know many others inside the ALP who are trying to change its direction, sadly we don't yet have the numbers, however a few more radicals like yourself would be more than welcome. The ALP cannot be changed from the outside, I urge you and any who share your/our thoughts to join up and change this party back to whay it should be, a party of workers for workers.
Posted by SHONGA, Thursday, 1 June 2006 5:33:44 PM
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