Scout, I think there will be about 200,000 people that will join you on june 28 in Melbourne. I will be going to the march in Brisbane. There is no defence of AWAs under work choices, of the 6000+ AWAs in place since workchoices, 100% have lost one or more condition.

Howard and Peter Hendy are spewing about Beazley's remarks and i think it is funny that Howard says Beazley was bullied by the unions.
It is plain to see Howard was bullied by big business to create work choices. This point should be made by the ALP.

Sly

There are many points that can be made by ALP - but its not happening.

Apart from IR reform there are:

>>Anti-terrorism laws - curtailing freedom of speech, jail without charge.
>>Return to 'Pacific Solution' detainment of children indefintely, again.
>>Nuclear debate as opposed to energy needs for all Australians and sustainable environmental development.
>>Privatising essential resources - the Snowy was saved, other resources including water are still up for grabs.
>>Cost of education, health.
>>Third world conditions for our indigenous people.
>>Zero investment in infrastructure - for example, roads funding used to black mail state governments.
and lets not forget kowtowing to George W.

Scout, Sly,
I will be marching on the 28th, and yes Scout a good point re compulory contributions. tao, I don't support communism, however if you look at Sweeden's history, you will see a great social system of democratic socialism has worked there in the past.

Howard definately has to go at the next election, however Labor won't be getting my first preference at the ballot box for reasons already outlined. Replacing one conservative party with another just a little less conservative is not my prefered option, however in the face of lack of options, we again go for the least of two evils. If given the opportunity I shall vote Green first, C.E.C, then Labor, so Labor end up with the vote, but have to struggle for it.

NSW Labor has said no nuclear power in NSW period!
Kim Beazley said much more than the press will report, want to understand how biased the press is?
Why have they not stopped Howard and Anderson lieing today? both quote ABS figures on AWA,s to prove those useing them are earning more than EBA,s?
Yet quoted figures are from pre workchoices AWA,s!those after workchoices are mostly imposed agreements not an offer.
Tao! Labors policy is not of shore detention, not in any way a Howard like policy.
This is the team and the policys Labor is takeing to the election, get behind it or face facts workers are not served by undermineing the last chance to get rid of workchoices for 3 more years.
Blokes are you aware ALL UNIONS are in need of more members to keep the doors open?
That workchoices planed always to reduce unions by reduceing membership?
That serveing non unionist with income paid by solid lifetime unionists is betrayal?
Or the concept of devide and conker?
Lies are Howards tools fear is also what value do you place on loyalty?
If we constanly undermine the ALP, and unions do we still have the right to blame other voters for another Howard victory?
Steve Smith appears silent on IR not the man he once promised?
Get behind Australian workers let me hear your voice tao
Beazley! Beazley! Beazley
Now yours SHONGA workers united will NEVER be defeated,
thanks sly well done now again!

Belly,
Workers united will never be defeated, unless sold out by the awu. What faction is Stephen Smith, right wing awu faction, does the penny ever drop mate? Working people need more protection than returning to the status quo, which is all Beazley is promising. The ALP has not been a workers party for 40 years, as stated above they will get my third preference.

hedgehog,

It is no wonder unions are on the decline if you are an example of the vicious leadership on offer.

I'll say it again - will the unions be calling a general strike? If not, why not? Are you calling for one in your own union? I doubt it.

Don't you think they would have much more success if they did? I know that I would certainly think twice if a general strike was called. I bet a lot of others would too, unionised or not.

If the unions are really serious, they will call a general strike, bring the government and big business to its knees, and the ALP will support it. But they will never do it. NEVER. You mark my words. And if I'm wrong I'll be happy to eat my hat.