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We're too desperate to please Jakarta : Comments

By Don Rothwell, published 13/4/2006

We should not allow the Indonesians a veto over our refugee policy.

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"He [PTBI] proved to be extremist without being able to justify it, and unable to offer detail or any semblance of level-headedness."

I agree with everything you say except the description 'extremist'. 'Extremist' implies a thought process (no matter how warped) which is simply not present in the racist ravings of PTBI. I would prefer the description 'nasty little racist bigot with a huge chip on his shoulder'.

His lack of knowledge of Australia and Australians is abysmal in its sheer ignorance - he has obviously mistaken the low-IQ contributors to talk-back radio etc for educated intelligent Australians.
Posted by dee, Sunday, 7 May 2006 2:41:27 PM
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@Kekendika:

LOL, calm down looney. I think it is clear West Papua is fairly and legitimately an integral part of Indonesia. That is final and not negotiable. There is nothing weakling Australians can do to challenge this fact. Deal with it.

@dee:

LOL, so you consider yourself a "rational" person. Is it rational for an Australian, descendent of genocidaires living in a white imperialist colony established over illegally-stolen land, to try preaching human rights? Is it rational for an Australian, a country where 28% of its women are sexually-abused as little girls, to accuse others of being "sexists"? Is it rational for Adolf Hitler to preach Judaism?

LOL, your capability of logical and rational thinking is clearly limited.

@Ludwig:

RETURN AUSTRALIA TO ABORIGINES NOW!!
Posted by Proud to be Indonesian, Sunday, 7 May 2006 11:02:50 PM
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Oh dear – more Indonesian racial harmony - I suppose this is gross misrepresentation?

There are many ways a local government can handle the brutal murder of a high school student who volunteered as a counselor for rape victims. Wreaths and deep regrets come to mind. Not in Indonesia. Just one day after teen-ager Martadinata Haryono was stabbed to death in her home, government officials called her a drug-addict, accused her of sodomy, and denying the murder had anything to do with her work comforting ethnic Chinese women raped terrifying May riots. Dr. Mun'im Idris told the state Antara news agency. "Her head was almost cut off at the throat," Idris said.
"People will now be afraid to tell anyone what happened during the riots," said Ester Indahyani Jusuf Lubis, leader of an anti-discrimination group, according to the Associated Press. "This is terrorizing Indonesia's ethnic Chinese." Haryono and her mother Wiwin both worked for Volunteers for Humanity, a group that counsels the estimated 168 mostly Chinese women who were raped during the spring chaos, which killed an estimated 1,200 and helped depose longtime president Suharto.
http://www.colorq.org/HumanRights/article.aspx?d=Indonesia&x=Ita

Indonesian Rape Victims Wait for Justice
THE INDONESIAN military may well have learned a new and evil lesson from Bosnia or Rwanda: One way to devastate your enemy is to degrade, rape and destroy the enemy's women. In all the historic waves of Indonesian riots and violence against the ethnic Chinese - who are a tiny but economically powerful minority in Indonesia - there have never before been reports of gang rape.

Following Indonesia's staggering descent into chaos and globalization road kill - nearly half the population of 200 million is poor to the point of desperation. Public anger was swiftly focused on the Chinese minority by hate propaganda.Emerging evidence points to the possible guilty role of General Prabowo Subianto, the ferocious son-in-law of the former dictator Suharto. Prabowo has recently admitted to ordering the ``disappearance'' of more than two dozen murdered political dissidents. Suspicion about his role in the organized riots and gang rapes circles persistently around him like flies around carrion.
http://www.nyct.net/~china/ic_11_980906.html
Posted by Kekenidika, Monday, 8 May 2006 10:57:59 AM
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I do remember some child accusing Australians of being immature racists with links to Stormfront
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=117

What the little ignorami forgot was to delete the rules of that forum printed below, but not to worry, we are in the position to be able to ignore his own racist slurs and attacks – something he accuses Australians of being guilty, however this forum allows and panders to undereducated mindless moronic cretins who unfortunately, are incapable of knowing any better.

EVERYBODY READ THIS VERBATIM POSTING

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I assume we are all adults here and we ALL can abide by the basic guidelines set out for us by the owner of this forum, Mr. Don Black.

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Posted by Kekenidika, Monday, 8 May 2006 11:25:24 AM
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PTBI - clean up your own backyard before throwing stupid accusations around:

Extract from U.S. State Dept Trafficking in Persons Report, June 2005

INCIDENCE AND NATURE OF CHILD LABOR -

'The Indonesian government reports that 6 to 12 million Indonesian children are involved in the worst forms of child labor, identified as prostitution; child trafficking; etc.

CHILDREN - Commercial sexual exploitation of children continued to be a serious problem... an ILO assessment estimated there were approximately 21,000 child prostitutes on the island of Java.

During the year, there were cases in which employment brokers paid parents advances of future salaries to be earned by their daughters. The child was required to repay the employment brokers. Researchers described a "culture of prostitution" in some parts of the country, where parents encouraged their daughters to work as big-city prostitutes and send the proceeds home.

Child prostitution is ... rampant in the karaoke bars and massage parlors of Lokasari in West Jakarta. The girls ... were forced into prostitution by their own parents. In certain villages in the West Java regency there is competition to invest in and prepare children for prostitution in the cities, expecting high returns on investments.

The International Labor Organization (ILO) says thousands of children in Java have been forced into prostitution by their parents and others.... researchers found more than 21,000 prostituted children ... during a study of Jakarta and all Javanese provinces except Banten.

Poverty, ignorance and unenforced laws fuel an industry that has sold 70,000 children into prostitution overseas. It is not something any government likes to make public, but the figures say it all: Indonesia is one of the world's largest exporters of sex workers, mainly children. The industry is driven by growing market demand, especially for girls aged 14-18 years, who are considered free of disease. The high price a virgin fetches makes the search for them a highly profitable business.'

Makes a rational person smile at your questionable claim that 28% of Australian girls are abused.

PS, get hold of a dictionary and learn the true definition of 'genocide'.
Posted by dee, Monday, 8 May 2006 4:11:31 PM
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^^ LOL calm down yobbo

There have been plenty of investigations into the alleged "rapes" of ethnic-Chinese women, by domestic and foreign groups, such as groups from Taiwan and HK. None of them found any evidence of any single rape. Hence, this "rape" rumour has no currency amongst Indonesians.

There were serious anti-Chinese sentiments under Suharto since he gave ethnic-Chinese cronies economic advantages which discriminate against natives. Suharto also used the Chinese-Indonesians as scapegoat each time there is discontent against his regime.

However, after fall of Suharto in 1998, there has been not a single anti-Chinese incident, and remember Indonesia has the largest overseas Chinese community in the world (12 million). These millions of ethnic-Chinese strongly intermarried with natives, speak Indonesian as first language, use Indonesian names, practice Indonesian culture, and are happy living in Indonesia. How can Indonesia have the largest overseas Chinese community in the world (with lots of illegal immigration from China) if they are persecuted here?

PICS OF CHINESE TEMPLES IN INDONESIA:
http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=8447

PICS OF CHINESE-INDONESIAN CELEBS:
http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=8002
Posted by Proud to be Indonesian, Monday, 8 May 2006 4:12:50 PM
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