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We're too desperate to please Jakarta : Comments

By Don Rothwell, published 13/4/2006

We should not allow the Indonesians a veto over our refugee policy.

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Hello fellow Australians, pardon my late reply due to change in internet provider.

@dee:

LOL, as I said, you should apply for the kind permission of Aborigines to stay in Australia. It is up to the benevolent wisdom of Aborigines to decide whether they are willing to allow whites or other people to live in their property Australia. If you have done nothing wrong to Aborigines as you claim, then you'll have nothing to worry, won't you?

RETURN AUSTRALIA TO ABORIGINES NOW!!

@Kek-O:

LOL, unfortunately I don't get what you're trying to say, mate.

@Horus:

LOL, Indonesians have landed in Australia for centuries before the white invader Cook came. Pioneer British "explorer" Matthew Flinders encountered hundreds of Indonesian fishing boats in Darwin Harbour during his circumnavigation of Australia in 1802. They had very beneficial relationship with Aborigines, with whom they intermarry and trade with. However, we Indonesians never show any interest of settling, since there is nothing but desert and arid rocks in northern Australia. Our racial cousins the Maoris, who originated from Indonesia, however, managed to settle in the better pastures of New Zealand.

Our utter condemnation of white theft of land and genocide against Aborigines is motivated by our pure merciful concern for the pitiful condition of Aborigines. None of your slanders and insults can deter us from this duty.

PS. your comments on East Timor is ironic, as it is clear the uncivilised East Timorese are currently very busy killing each other and destroying their own country by attacking hospital patients, murdering wounded policemen, and burning babies to death.
Posted by Proud to be Indonesian, Monday, 29 May 2006 11:54:59 PM
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@PJT:

LOL, calm down boy. I'm actually 190 cms tall, but no worries, you are still a tall pretty boy.

And yes, the fact of white genocide against Aborigines and widespread sexual abuse against females in Australia is undeniable. Your denials won't work, boy. Who are you trying to fool with your nonsense talk? People are not idiots, they were not born yesterday.

"It isn't as though Aborigines have never attacked white people during colonisation of Australia"

There is nothing wrong with Aboriginal resistence to an illegal white invasion. The Maoris killed so many British settlers and soldiers during the Anglo-Maori Wars, they forced the whites to give them equal rights and respect for their culture. The Aborigines were not successful enough in killing whites as Maoris, that is why they suffered so horribly today.
Posted by Proud to be Indonesian, Monday, 29 May 2006 11:55:42 PM
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"And yes, the fact of white genocide against Aborigines and widespread sexual abuse against females in Australia is undeniable."

Wake the hell up already, PTBI. There are 400,000 aborigines in Australia today. There were 300,000 aborigines on Australia before white people came along. An estimated 5000 tribes spread out across Australia. Yes, there was an ATTEMPT at genocide against the aborigines by the British government back in the 1800s. If you agree on that, then we are agreed on something. But that stopped before the 1901 federation of Australia. After that, Aborigines were a protected people, by the *Australian* government. You want to blame someone, go talk to Queen Victoria's dead corpse.

And for that "koorie" website, if saying that removing aboriginal children from *abusive* or even *third world living conditions* is seen as a "inhumane thing", then I couldn't begin to fathom how you would find it excellent and a "humane thing" it would be to just leave the aborigines alone in the wilderness to die of starvation, disease, and neglect. I can't be bothered proving that to you. So, why not come to Australia and live in some remote aboriginal settlement away from "white people" influence for a few weeks, and judge for yourself?

Again, you imply that 28% of Australian girls are sexually molested. Have another read through your submitted weblink, and try to consider the context of the information. Most girls lose their virginity consensually by the time they turn 18. The majority of these girls have sex with some older male (as would be logical). That would explain the "exploited by someone older" context. However, some girls in Australia think that having someone committing taciturn assault constitutes sexual assault. It is hard to determine if someone is making genuine claims of abuse, or are looking for attention. Either way, there would be millions of women out in the streets protesting, boycotting, or making enough noise that the federal government would do something about it.
Posted by PJT, Tuesday, 30 May 2006 1:07:43 AM
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PTBI – ‘we Indonesians never show any interest of settling, ..’

Who’s sorry now.. That was an interesting Freudian slip.

‘ .. uncivilised East Timorese are killing each other ..’.

Perhaps they learned their methods from the Indonesians. Between 1975 and 1999, approximately 180,000 civilian Timorese died at the hands of Indonesian occupying forces. Indonesian soldiers used napalm, chemical weapons and poisoned water supplies. They carried out massacres, death marches, summary executions, public beheadings, the mutilation of genitalia and the burying and burning alive of victims. They cut off ears and genitals to display to relatives. Thousands of women were raped. Along with sexual assault, starvation was used by the Indonesian military as a weapon of war. So If I were Indonesian, I hope I would have the decency to remain silent on this subject.

‘Our utter condemnation of ... genocide against Aborigines ..’

The only thing inherited from our ancestors are genes (and sometimes money) – we do not inherit our ancestor’s behaviour or beliefs, neither are we responsible for actions carried out in the past and therefore unchangeable. Your rants against present day Australians are meaningless in any context.

‘It is up to the benevolent wisdom of Aborigines to decide …'

I should be ok then. I have never persecuted or killed an aboriginal; never given an aboriginal poison or recklessly removed an aboriginal child from his/her family (as govt. authorities have been accused of doing in the past); never robbed or displayed violence towards aboriginals, although members of my family and several people I know have received this treatment from aboriginals. However, all this is academic, since the scenario will never happen. Australians are here to stay. We built the country, we intend to keep it. Forever.

PJT – the phone-in that the 28% is based upon is somewhat shaky, but why do you feel you must defend Australia against the rantings of a person whose own govt. admits that its country has one of the worst problems in the world concerning child prostitution? Pot calling the kettle black, methinks.
Posted by dee, Tuesday, 30 May 2006 2:34:38 PM
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@PJT:

"..to just leave the aborigines alone in the wilderness to die of starvation, disease, and neglect."

LOL, what a despicable arrogance that can only be found from whites. Aborigines have lived for 50,000 years in Australia before the first white invader Cook came. They have functional societies, they may be simple but they successfully use the land to satisfy all their material and spiritual needs. Unfortunately the arrival of genocidal whites completely destroyed their world in the cruelest manner.

LOL, the study clearly found Australian women are sexually exploited as little girls. You make joke, trying to make fairy tale the females have voluntary sex. The truth is, 28% of Australian females are sexually abused by older men as little children. Deal with this sad fact.

LOL, I suggest you read "Blood in the Wattle" which chronicles massacres of Aborigines by whites, the killings certainly do not end in 1901.

@dee:

"They carried out massacres, death marches, summary executions, public beheadings, the mutilation of genitalia and the burying and burning alive of victims. They cut off ears and genitals to display to relatives."

Indeed this is what the barbaric whites did to poor Aborigines, as testified by fellow forummer saintfletcher, whose grandfather saw evil whites shot Aborigines dead for sport.

"Indonesian soldiers used napalm, chemical weapons and poisoned water supplies."

LOL, what a stupid lie, Indonesian military until now never have any napalm or chemical weapons.

This is typical dirty tactic of idiot Australians, blame Indonesia as scapegoat everytime the unviable "country" of East Timor collapse and became failed state. Let Australia pick-up the expensive tab each time this Southeast Asian Haiti collapse in the future.

"However, all this is academic, since the scenario will never happen."

I beg to differ. Aborigines' population has increased exponentially from near-extinction in 1930s to 400,000 (2% of population) today and this growth is continuing. Within a few decades, Aborigines will have enough numbers to became the thorn in the whites' flesh. Eventually, Aborigines will get what they want: return of Australia to their hands.
Posted by Proud to be Indonesian, Wednesday, 31 May 2006 3:07:08 AM
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PTBI - " ..28% of Australian females are sexually abused by older men as little children.'

You got these 'stats' from one dubious telephone survey. Any other proof of your assertion? I notice you never mention the appalling record of Indonesia on child abuse and prostitution. The Indonesian stats do not come from a shaky telephone survey, but from your own govt. Why do you have nothing to say about this fact?

'what a stupid lie, Indonesian military until now never have any napalm or chemical weapons.'

Of course not, the Indonesian military are angels in human form, I'm sure... Is the part about raping women a lie also? There is plenty of evidence of Indonesian atrocities in East Timor and plenty of witnesses - that's why the Indonesian govt. is so angry, but they should have realised that you cant keep this kind of behaviour a secret any more.

'I beg to differ. Aborigines' population has increased exponentially from near-extinction in 1930s to 400,000 (2% of population)... Aborigines will get what they want: return of Australia to their hands.'

Hahahaa - thanks PTBI, you made my day. You should do standup comedy in your spare time if you truly believe that 2% of the Australian population will one day rule the country. In reply to your wishful thinking, I will repeat:

We built the country, we intend to keep it. Forever.
Posted by dee, Wednesday, 31 May 2006 11:35:29 AM
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