Dee –Remember not to mistake freedom to have sex or to strip as "female emancipation". Over in Indonesia women are expected to strip and screw – RIGHT?

The rape of ethnic-Chinese women in the May 1998 riots in Indonesia was a result of the social gap said President B.J. Habibie. He said he knew of Chinese Indonesians who were not attacked because they contributed to the community and that the social gap between the Chinese minority and other Indonesians was caused by Dutch colonizers. ("Attacks on Chinese not planned," Straits Times, 31 July 1998)

Straits Times reports that the 1997 economic crisis has caused millions of children to take to the worst of forms of child labor, prostitution. No longer limited to special red-light districts, the prostitution network has penetrated mainstream Indonesian society. Further, it has spilled beyond national borders, with thousands of Indonesian children exported as sex commodities. – YaleGlobal

Indonesia's Shameful Export
Poverty, ignorance and unenforced laws fuel an industry that has sold 70,000 children into prostitution overseas. It is not something any government likes to make public, but the figures say it all: Indonesia is one of the world's largest exporters of sex workers, mainly children.

The Flesh Trade
The International Labor Organization (ILO) says thousands of children in Java have been forced into prostitution by their parents and others. The ILO said its researchers found more than 21,000 prostituted children, some as young as 15, during a study of Jakarta and all Javanese provinces except Banten.
Real Lives - Fighting Sexual Exploitation And Trafficking In Indonesia
Yani was 15 when her boyfriend lured her away from home with false promises of a lucrative job and a chance to continue her education. "My pimp stopped giving me money and just supplied me with drugs," says Dewi.

Prevalence, Abuse & Exploitation of Street Children in the Republic of Indonesia
http://www.insideindonesia.org/edit59/child.htm

http://gvnet.com/humantrafficking/Indonesia.htm

http://yaleglobal.yale.edu/display.article?id=4043

http://www.streetchildren.org.uk/reports/Indonesia%20Child.doc

http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/54b/081.html

BUT HERE AMONGST ALL THE CORRUPTION
http://www.expat.or.id/givingback/griyaasih.html

@dee:

You are trying to avoid answering my question:

>Is it OK for communists to kill nationalist-religionist Indonesians just because they have different ideology? Is it OK for Indonesian communist volunteers to infiltrate into Malaysia and kill hundreds of British, Australian, and Commonwealth soldiers during Confrontation?

>Is it OK for whites to wipe out Aborigines and destroy their culture just because whites want their land?

BTW, yes, most PKI leadership and members were tried by Indonesian courts, where they made well-publicised defence pleas full of anti-military rhetotic, before being sentenced to death or to jail, or released. Most of the uncontrolled violence were done by nationalist and religious mobs hyped with anti-communist hysteria. The military did much to stop excessive violence, hence saving the lives of many communists from certain death in the hands of the mob.

And it is ridicilous to say the non-exitence of any female PM in Australia as "unimportant". More hilarious is your excuse that Australian females are "not interested" to become PM. That's just unconvincing to say the least. Are Australian females only interested in enhancing their boobs, butt, and blonde-hair?

@Ludwig:

LOL, situation of Papuans are much better than Aborigines. Papuans always receive compensation for any land taken (which are not much since most of Papua is uninhabited areas), they have MRP to arbitrage their tribal interests, and all regional leaders MUST be native Papuans by law.

On the other hand, how many Aboriginal PMs or state premiers have Australia had? How many Aboriginal federal and state ministers have Australia had? How much of Australian land is owned by Aborigines?

PTBI - 'Is it OK ... to kill nationalist-religionist Indonesians'. I regarded this question as too idiotic to answer, but since you insist on stating the obvious:

NO, it is not ok to kill people because of their beliefs.

This was my original point. I cant recall the last time an Australian mob attacked Communists and murdered them. I can't recall the last time ethnic women were gang raped by Australian men either. Indonesians have done both, so criticising Australia is both pointless and irrelevant. Australia is not under observation for human rights abuses, as Indonesia is, so perhaps you should stop embarrassing yourself.

'Is it OK for whites to wipe out Aborigines ...' - Another idiotic question. Who ever said it was ok?

“How many Aboriginal PMs or state premiers have Australia had?”- A few politicians but since aboriginals are less than 1% of the population, so what? Are you suggesting that we elevate aboriginals on a racial basis to positions they have not earned or been elected to? BTW, has Indonesia had an East Timorese PM? Or a PM from WNG? Why not?

“ How much of Australian land .. owned by Aborigines?” - I have already given you facts and figures. I am not repeating the information.

' ..it is ridicilous to say the non-exitence of any female PM in Australia as "unimportant"'.

Why it is so important? Are you suggesting that we hand the position to the unelected daughter of some VIP? Isnt that how Megawati became leader? A female PM does not make a country progressive, successful, democratic or free of human abuses.

'Are Australian females only interested in enhancing their boobs, butt, and blonde-hair?' – Wishful thinking on your part I’m afraid. You seem to have an unhealthy obsession with blonde hair, boobs etc. and you have about as much knowledge of Australian women as you have about anything else Australian – ie, zero.

As for avoiding questions - you have not answered one direct question anyone has put to you. Perhaps you should.

@Kekendika:

LOL, calm down looney. Indeed there is prostitution in Indonesia like in any other country in the world, which is caused mainly by poverty. But Indonesia is nowhere near the massive prostitution industry of our smaller neighbours Thailand and Philippines, the favourite sex-tourism destination for Australian perverts. As I remember, Australia legalise prostitution and one brothel even sell shares in Australian stock exchange. Strip clubs proliferate in every Australian city/town. Can I say this Australian promotion of prostitution meant Australians "expect their women to strip and shag"?

About alleged Chinese "rapes", those are just untrue wild rumours with no correlation with reality. There have been many investigations by Taiwanese and Hongkong groups, but they completely failed to find a single verifiable rape case. Ethnic-Chinese women in Indonesia has nothing to worry. In fact, Indonesia has the largest overseas Chinese population in the world (12 million people).

Here's a link to the happy lifestyle of beautiful Indonesian models, many of whom have degrees of Chinese blood in them:
http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=8772
http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=72562

PTBI

Even if the situation in West Papua is really different, we have to ask; is it anywhere near good enough?

The displacement of Aborigines was terrible and disgusting. I think I come closer to agreeing with you than anyone else on this forum, although as I said last time it was nowhere near the deliberate genocide that you make it out to be.

But this history does not mean that current Australians forego the right to be very concerned about what is happening in West Papua and to express it as fully as they see fit. There have afterall been many genuine efforts to improve the quality of life for Aborigines in recent decades, albeit with muted success.

The displacement of Aboriginal culture was in line with practices in North and South America and various other places, in a long-gone era. It was pretty much a normal part of humanity and had been for aeons.

But we would like to think that times have changed and that humanity has progressed from that sort of barbarism. Thus, any sort of displacement of one people by another in this age is rightly thought of as intolerable, no matter how much ‘better’ it might be managed than it was in the 19th century.

I guess what we really need to know is just how willing the Papuans were to accept Javanese transmigrants, just how accepting of the situation they were after it had been happening for a few years with all the sorts of problems that go along with such a scheme, just how much the Papuans are really benefiting, whether these benefits are confined to a few while the rest get nothing or get disadvantaged, just what it really means for Papuans to have their own regional leaders under a government that can presumably override their desires very easily, just what does compensation for land taken really means? …. and so on.

One has got to ask; if things are so good, why is there an apparently vigorous independence movement there?

Dee,

Regardless of the propaganda of the pimp we have denying it - Surbaya, with tens of thousands of prostitutes, is the largest sex industry center in South East Asia, consisting of hectares and hectares of modest houses (read hovels) - "streets full of human aquariums". It is also a magnet for the divorced and dispossessed women of the strict Islamic villages and served through a black market network of pimps like our Orangotang

There are 12,000 to 31,000 people currently dying from AIDS every year in Indonesia, and more will be infected by 2000. Most women say they are in prostitution because they have been divorced and abandoned by men. Many divorcees are still young, having married in their teens and separated in their early 20s but I suppose they are just another disposable commodity for the Indonesian men – and has bred a plethora of women desperate to get from under Indonesian oppressive “manhood” (sic)

Jakarta (AsiaNews) – In some refugee camps in Aceh and North Sumatra provinces, aid and rescue workers are believed to discriminate against Sino-Indonesians, who are denied food and medicines, forced to dig graves, robbed and, in some cases, killed
http://www.asianews.it/view.php?l=en&art=2270

Nike Labor Practices Criticized
In August, the U.S. government agreed to look at workers' rights in Indonesia before deciding whether to continue granting Indonesian products a special import status called
zero-tariff benefits. Losing the benefits would hurt Indonesian exporters.
http://www.hamline.edu/apakabar/basisdata/1992/10/17/0001.html

Slavery of children, but again it keeps them off the streets where they rob and waylaying innocent Indonesian pimps selling sex-slaves in the Indonesian paradise
Child Labour on Indonesian Fishing Platforms
The Indonesian NGO, KKSP Foundation and Anti-Slavery International have long been concerned about the use of children on hundreds of rickety fishing platforms, known locally as jermals, in the seas off the northeast coast of Sumatra. Apart from a supply boat that comes every two weeks, there is no contact with the shore. Each jermal is likely to have three or four children on it who haul in and mend the nets as well as boil, dry and sort the fish.
http://www.antislavery.org/archive/submission/submission2000-Jermals.htm