PTBI - 'What will you think if foreigners steal your land, destroy your culture, kill your family, and kidnap your children? Will you tell yourself to "forget" the persecutions you received?'

1.I am not a 'foreigner', I am as much an Australian as anyone of aboriginal descent. I have never stolen land, killed aboriginals or kidnapped their children, neither has anyone I know. Most of the people who did these things are dead. Blaming contemporary Australians for the sins of the past committed by other people is clearly absurd.

2.I have never said that aboriginals should ‘forget’. You are once again misquoting or placing your own incorrect interpretation on my words. Aboriginals have a choice – they can sit around living on taxpayers money believing that the rest of us owe them a living, hating other Australians and obsessing about past events that cannot be changed, or they can decide to join the rest of us. Acting the victim is not the path to a successful life. There is no reason why they cannot succeed at school, go on to university and make their own lives. Many aboriginals have done so.

3. As for leaving Australia, giving it back to aboriginals etc - are you aware of how absurd and simplistic you sound? Especially since Indonesia is hellbent on pretending that they are legitimately in West New Guinea. Why dont you act on your own advice and give WNG back to its inhabitants?

@dee:

LOL, you are not Australian, you are English/Irish/*random European nationality* who have been squatting for too long on Aboriginal land without their permission.

Does returning stolen property to its rightful owner such an incomprehensible prospect for you? If you no longer have any home, you could apply to the Aborgines for their benevolent permission for you to stay in their land. Of course, you need to pay them for the land you own according to market rates, and also pay them just compensation for all the pain they've suffered for the past 200 years. If you cannot afford it, you'll ask the white govt to pay on your behalf.

What is important:
RETURN AUSTRALIA TO ABORIGINES NOW!!

PTBI - whatever your ignorant rantings, I am Australian born, so were my parents and so were their parents. My ancestors helped to build Australia and helped to defend it, so we wont be going anywhere. This is our country. Waste any amount of your time trying to provoke, you will get the same answer from most Australians. Its our country, we built it and we're staying right here. Isnt it annoying when people refuse to feel guilty to suit you? I realise that its a huge insult to have successful wealthy neighbours who built a modern country in the short space of 200 years, but there's nothing you can do about it.

And you still havent answered the question:

Why doesnt Indonesia return WNG to its original inhabitants?

Surely you cant believe that they actually want you in their country?

The Americans could have quite easily supported the Dutch into retaking the East Indies, had it not been for the influence of the second world war. Obviously, colonies became more of a liability than an asset. Indonesia, however during the 1970s, decided to colonise Timor and West Papua. Awfully hypocritical of a nation like Indonesia to go on a colonisation crusade, despite being subjected to 300 years of colonisation itself.

I didn't say that Australia is the most important trading partner (as you are deviously trying to imply), but it is an important trading partner with Indonesia. My information says that Indonesia (as of the year 2003) has 5% of its imports coming from Australia. Australia didn't even rate a mention as a country that Indonesia exports to. You guys don't have anything that we want or need.

As I said before, I wouldn't be surprised if or that Indonesia has a higher rate of economic growth than Australia. After the Asian financial crisis, Indonesia had nowhere to go but upwards. It's quite easy to have a fast rate of economic growth after a recession, but it doesn't mean that Indonesia has a healthy economy. Indonesia needs to play a game of catch up with the rest of the region really quickly. There would be no unexpectedness in this day and age if Indonesia's economy gets done over by a Bird Flu attack, given that Indonesia is STILL such a rural economy.

Your figure about a 15% poverty rate for Indonesia coincides with my figure, but I don't see how you can find that pleasing. That is one in every six people in Indonesia living in poverty. The definition of "poverty" for you guys would be pretty much a normal average life for many people. Poverty for Australians means destitution. Even the unemployed seem like millionaires compared to the average Indonesian.

The fair thing for Indonesia would be to pay Australia back that half a billion dollars in aid money from the tsunami disaster. Face it, your country wouldn't want to do that.

@dee:

LOL, your "country" is just a little England implanted into stolen Aboriginal land. "Australia" is not a country who built itself. Even 200 years later, your head of state is still the queen of England who lives far-far away in Buckingham Palace. Australia is not your country, it belong to Aborigines. You are just an English/Irish/*random European nationality* who have been squatting for too long on Aboriginal land without their permission.

RETURN THE STOLEN LAND BACK TO ITS RIGHTFUL OWNERS!!

RETURN AUSTRALIA TO ABORIGINES NOW!!

@PJT:

LOL, calm down boy. Regardless of your dreams, Australia is not an important country for Indonesia, hence we can basically treat you in whatever way we feel like. Mostly, we Indonesians couldn't care less about your country. Deal with it.

On May 1, 1963, when Indonesia became the new colonial power in WNG, the elected West Papuan Council was disbanded, West Papuan flags were banned and burnt, singing of the West Papuan national anthem was banned, the founding of any new political parties was banned, and anything else to do with West Papuan independence was destroyed. An estimated 100,000 people have been killed since 1963, although some observers say the figure may be much higher. Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, and the local human rights organization, Els-ham have been attempting to alert the world community to ongoing and systematic abuses in WNG, including arbitrary detention, rape, torture, beatings in custody and extra-judicial killing.

Isnt this 'attempted genocide'? Or is it only 'genocide' when it involves white people?

Your silly comments and repeated attempts to simplify complex issues demonstrate how little you know about Australia, Aboriginals or real life. And yes, settlers built Australia in 200 years - Aboriginals built nothing in 40,000 years. Indonesians have not managed to build a peaceful free country where people have basic human rights in several hundred years. Is that why you hate Australia so much?

You have access to a computer for which you need electricity. Do you drive a car? Do you watch television? Do you use the telephone? Have you flown overseas? Then say thank you to the white race that you hate so much because all the things making your life easier are western inventions.

As for the Queen as Australian head of state - better the Queen than someone like Megawati.