K. - Thanks for the interesting links - I fear you are wasting your time and brainpower if you are hoping that PTBI is amenable to reason and logic. The name 'Proud to be Indonesian' tells us all we need to know ie this person is not capable of rational thinking. I am grateful to be born in Australia for many reasons, but 'proud' of it?

One is 'proud' of something one achieves, how can anyone be proud of an accident of birth, something they had no say in? I am proud of the many achievements of Australians, I am proud that Australians have created such a wealthy and free country in 200 years, but 'proud' that I happened to be born here?

I mention this because it is so typical of the 'thinking' of this nasty little racist.

@Kekendika:

You and I know none of the links you copy-and-paste from the biggest trash-can in the world aka internet, can ever hide the reality of whites' theft of Aborginal land, genocide on Aborigines, destruction of Aboriginal culture, and your virulently racist "White Australia Policy". Neither can you deny the fact that 28% of Australian females are sexually abused as little children.

@dee:

LOL, none of your infantile personal attacks can diminish the truths I exposed. If you claim to be proud of Australia, you'll return this continent to the real Australians, the Aborigines. No morally-sound person can be proud of an imperialistic colony built over a land illegally and violently stolen from its rightful owners.

Dee – thanks, however I do not waste my time and brainpower in the hope of finding reason or logic with it and unlike Ludwig (and sometimes yourself) I realized quite early in the peace that it was naught but an empty drum – a poor version of Eliza with a gutter trip mind – but them’s the breaks ….. right?

The links I provided are there for all to see many are from Indonesian sources , detailing their own problems and their own elitist racist mindset inability for rational thought, but then again that is an Indonesian problem and of course the persona is following a well known tactic of the blustering bully, by ignoring truth and spewing forth more alternative lies.

This only becomes our problem when you allow it by responding to the canker that has invaded our democratic space. Unfortunately, in the meantime ordinary innocent Indonesians will suffer by the theft of the riches by the Javanese bastard bandits, their so called leaders – poor imitations of Fagin treating the starving dredges of humanity to bitter rhetoric rather than truth

Again as I said quite early in the piece, that thing is responding to any sane and logical posts by abuse and calumny and as an extension, I wondered why normal people actually try and befriend a festering rabid personality and I would only consider short discussions about it, rather than talking to it. I do believe that Chainsmoker also saw through it’s façade and of course I heartily agree with his summation.

In my travels over the years, I have met and socialized with many Indonesians and like any other people most of them have been open and friendly – some have been killers and murderers in their invading forces – and then you strike the lower strata like this thing here who is totally incapable of any original thought, but spews forth venom and vitriol, creating uncertainty and divisions.

How you deal with things like this is turn your back, ignore the lies, barbs and incontinent inconsistencies, let the Mimosa invisa wither and die.

Yes Kekenidika, I gave PTBI all the chance in the world to provide some depth behind the very strong statements and to justify his arguments. He proved to be extremist without being able to justify it, and unable to offer detail or any semblance of level-headedness.

You and Chainsmoker have been proven right.

And Scout

West Papua is a former Dutch colony. In 1949, when Indonesia gained its independence, the Dutch retained control of West Papua. During the next decade, West Papua prepared for its own independence, supported by most Australians.

But the process was interrupted when Indonesia, using Russian military equipment, launched a small-scale invasion of West Papua. The United States, worried that Indonesia might have been slipping towards Communism, arranged for a UN-brokered agreement between Dutch and Indonesian governments, which handed West Papua to Indonesia. The UN's condition was that there was to be a UN-supervised referendum, called the "Act of Free Choice."

Or, if you're West Papuan, you might refer to it as the "Act of No Choice."

The vote occurred in 1969 and the "No Choice" name is well deserved.

What happened was that less than one per cent of the population - 1022 tribal elders - were rounded up, and they were basically told to vote for Indonesia or they would have their tongues cut out. Obviously then the vote was unanimous for West Papua remaining with Indonesia. In the years since Indonesia's occupation of West Papua, there are estimates that around 100,000 people have died due to human rights abuses.

It's time for Australia and Australians to get involved, just as we did in East Timor. West Papua's an issue whose time has come. It's the type of situation where people initially might not know too much about it. Some people don't even realise that it's just over 100 kilometres from Australia's shores.

When people do hear about what's happening there, they're often quite shocked that this is something that's going on right on our doorstep. This is an issue that has the potential to ignite huge sectors of the populations to stand up for West Papuans, just as Australians did for the East Timorese.

The Javanese invaders are raping and polluting the environment and remember the biblical saying .......

“Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.”