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We're too desperate to please Jakarta : Comments

By Don Rothwell, published 13/4/2006

We should not allow the Indonesians a veto over our refugee policy.

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Hence, this "rape" rumour has no currency amongst Indonesians."

Just as the puerile 'genocide' nonsense you post regarding Aboriginals has no currency amongst Australians.

"There were serious anti-Chinese sentiments under Suharto ..."

So the Chinese community in general were punished for Suharto's economic crimes?

"However, after fall of Suharto in 1998, there has been not a single anti-Chinese incident"

How wonderful that Indonesia can boast that not a single Chinese person has been murdered or raped in 7 years.

LOL!
Posted by dee, Monday, 8 May 2006 7:01:30 PM
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"Just as the puerile 'genocide' nonsense you post regarding Aboriginals has no currency amongst Australians."

LOL, you are a bad liar. Actually your own Australian academics have explicitly mentioned white treatment of Aborigines as "genocide". While your own High Court acknowledged the illegality of white invasion of Australia in its Mabo Decision of 1995. Your own PM Paul Keating admitted the evil genocide committed by whites and Aborigines and apologised for this sin.

GENOCIDE ON ABORIGINES IN AUSTRALIA BY PROF COLIN TATZ (DIRECTOR OF CENTRE FOR COMPARATIVE GENOCIDE STUDIES AT MACQUARIE UNIVERSITY)
http://www.kooriweb.org/foley/news/story6.html

ILLEGAL THEFT OF ABORIGINAL LAND BY WHITES, AS RULED BY HIGH COURT DECISION ON MABO CASE
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/special/rsjproject/rsjlibrary/archives/mabo/

Still trying to deny the barbaric genocide committed by whites on Aborigines?

"So the Chinese community in general were punished for Suharto's economic crimes?"

It was the Suharto's trick to make sure the economy was dominated by his ethnic-Chinese cronies (who have little capability to become political opponenet), while scape-goating the general Chinese community whenever there were discontent on his rule by direct provocations by his agents.

Chinese-Indonesians woes was caused by attempts by both nationalist China (Taiwan) and communist China to overthrow Indonesian government. The Taiwanese govt under Chiang Kai-shek backed the anti-Sukarno PRRI-Permesta rebellion of 1958 along with CIA and MI-5. Several years later, communist Chinese leader Mao Zedong ordered Indonesian Communist Party (PKI) to launch abortive coup attempt of 1965 (G30S/PKI). As result, China was Indonesia's enemy for decades afterwards. To prevent the local Chinese-Indonesians (who during colonialism was politically-aligned to China) from becoming fifth-column for enemy country China, laws targetting Chinese-Indonesians was passed meant to cut links with China, as means to defend Indonesia's security from foreign subversion.

This act to defend our national security is much humane than what the white Americans did to their Japanese community during World War II, when US govt confiscate all their assets and jailed the entire Japanese community in desolate concentration camps! This gross human-rights violation was done by USA on completely innocent people based only on their race!
Posted by Proud to be Indonesian, Tuesday, 9 May 2006 6:00:20 AM
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PTBI – if ‘genocide’ had been committed in Australia, there would be no Aboriginals today. The concept is not that difficult.

Your constant moralising about Aboriginals doesn’t disguise the fact that you consistently refuse to address facts regarding Indonesia. You drone on about things that happened in Australia many years ago, crimes that nobody now living took part in, ideas from a previous century – but nowhere have you acknowledged the atrocities happening in your own country right now, such as the Indonesian government report that 6 to 12 million children are involved in child labour, child trafficking and a "culture of prostitution" where parents encourage their daughters to work as big-city prostitutes and send the proceeds home. You have nothing to say about this situation? No moralising?

“ …much humane than what the white Americans did to their Japanese community ..”

Since when is rioting, burning and killing ‘more humane’ than internment? The U.S. Japanese were interned because they were regarded as enemy aliens. They were not murdered nor were their women raped. The govt. also eventually compensated them for the loss of property. Has the Indonesian govt. compensated the Chinese?

Remember who started WWII - for you to mention ‘race’ in connection with the West is laughable, since the Japanese are among the most racist people on earth, even today. Ask anyone who had the misfortune to be captured by the Japanese or forced to live under their Fascist rule. Ask the survivors of Nanking, where Japanese soldiers tortured, raped and murdered over 90,000 people, from babies to the very old.

’Suharto's ... ethnic-Chinese cronies;'

So this was a good reason for Indonesians to attack ordinary Chinese, murder them and destroy their property? Were all Chinese ‘Suharto’s cronies’? Of course, since you believe in the Theory of Collective Guilt, all Indonesians are responsible for this situation, whether or not they were alive at the time, whether or not they were among the attackers. Have you personally apologised to the Chinese, or donated money to compensate them for their losses, as you advise Australians to do re Aboriginals?
Posted by dee, Tuesday, 9 May 2006 4:22:18 PM
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In realtion to the last posting about the genocide of the Indigenous peoples of australia..here's something interesting to take think about ..... Robert Manne (2004) has defined genocide as not only being committed by killing...it includes 'methods to prevent births..also the forcible removal of children of a group'.
We tend to think of genocide in terms of what happened in Nazi Germany but what occured in Australia, and might i add the removal of children was not abolished until the 1970's so not that long ago, was a mass genocide. The reason that it isn't a huge political debate in the world is because it was done discretely through the changing of policies to justify the murders,removals and general mal treatment of the indigenous population of Australia.
How can anyone say that this does not need to be looked at..the indigenous people suffered massivley and are still suffereing the consequences today...
Posted by ANI, Tuesday, 9 May 2006 6:20:23 PM
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PTBI – finally unmasked.

Sometimes I wonder why everyone is up in arms about this PTBI character and why you expend so much time trying to argue with a brick wall of vile ignorance and racist epithets.

He has run rings around almost all of you, insulting your intelligence and yet in the end regurgitating the same old trite racist anti-white, anti-Australian, anti-everything-not-Indonesian garbage and getting on everyone’s wicks AND many have wondered (OK – well I would say all of you have wondered) where he is and where he is from and come up with wild fantasies, which are just that – wild fantasies.

I realized quite early in the piece that his main aim was to sow discord and tension, many and you know who you are, tried to reason with him, only to be rebuffed and further insulted and whilst chainsmoker has come up with a reasonable hypothesis and put forward a reasonable conjecture as to whom he actually is, he also is not quite right with that either

You have all tried to argue against him instead of investigating PTBI, you have all tried to prune his leaves and camouflage, instead of getting to the root of the disease and like a weed it comes back stronger – ignoring rhyme and reason with a repetitive attack – all the while wasting your valuable time and resources…...

He is rat animal cunning and has treated you all with contempt (sometimes I think many of you really invite contempt) BUT what he has not been seen is that he has left a trail miles wide – and you people are so blind as to not be able to see the forest for the trees.

Maybe you are not as naturally devious as I am, maybe I am just a natural trawler of garbage, but I do believe I have tracked him down, for you see as it was said in a posting, is never, ever erased and to find someone just takes a little patience, so if anyone is interested in some knowledge, just let me know…….
Posted by Kekenidika, Tuesday, 9 May 2006 9:43:49 PM
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Actually K... I'm interested.

bristraveller@hotmail.com

Cheers...
Posted by Reason, Wednesday, 10 May 2006 10:32:36 AM
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