@dee:

LOL, so you are a "grown-up"? I guess you consider equalising Aborigines with kangaroos is very mature.

If you are really a grown-up, you'll understand the pain suffered by Aborigines by the dispossession of their land and the destruction of their culture, akin to plight of pre-Israel Jews after they are were dispossessed of their land.

If you are really mature, you'll return Australia to Aborigines. If you no longer remember what land you came from, you'll apply for the kind permission of Aborigines to stay in their land. You'll pay them compensation for the land you stay upon and for the pain inflicted upon them by whites. If you can't afford it, you'll ask for the white govt to compensate Aborigines on your behalf.

That is the only way whites can wash their sins you've committed on Aborigines.

@ludwig:

Don't play dumb. Read the common Australian newspaper or online forums bashing Indonesia, you got Ozzies threatening to destroy Indonesia, calling us "monkeys", "scums", "beggars". Australia has completely lost whatever respect Indonesians have for you a long time ago.

A ha! As I suspected. You are pulling out the very worst of Australian comments and making out that they represent the majority view.

For all your knowledge about Indonesia, and a little about Australia, you seemed to have built a house of cards upon a totally spurious foundation.

I read a great variety of comments on Indonesia. Some of them are pretty heavy. They come from the full spectrum of understanding – from experts to those who know nothing at all but are just expressing their prejudice, or from irresponsible journalists who want to pack a punch and thus exaggerate the criticism.

You’ve got to admit, only the very worst-end-of-the-spectrum respondents advocate destroying Indonesia, or use terms like "monkeys", "scums" and "beggars".

For goodness sake, most Australians have a vastly different view, if any view at all.

You are promulgating an ugly situation by beating up the few bad comments and quite frankly completely ignoring the rest. It seems that this is deliberate.

Shame on you

@ludwig:

LOL, don't worry. We Indonesians will never trust Australia. I hope Indonesians will never be fooled by lies of white Australians, we know well what you are: descendents of genocidaires who cruelly oppresses the indigenous Australian Aborigines.

I note that you have made no attempt to deny or explain away my assertion that you are taking the very worst comments of a few Australians and making them out to be the standard Australian view, or that you are deliberately playing up these negative comments and ignoring the rest.

You position is now patently clear – you are coming from an extremist perspective.

It is exactly this sort of mentality that leads to conflicts –

calling those who you think of as your enemies or opposition liars, “genocidairies”, etc,

saying that you will never trust them no matter what,

lumping them all together as totally bad, when you know full well that there is a broad spectrum of views and that there are many good people with the best of motives,

beating up the negative things and just taking the good stuff for granted and putting it out of sight and out of mind, and

making inciteful comments such as; “….white Australians, we know well what you are: descendents of genocidaires who cruelly oppresses the indigenous Australian Aborigines”.

You do realise this don’t you.

So can you give a straight answer to this question:- is it your intention to stir up strife on this forum, which will filter into other areas and increase polarisation and conflict between our countries?

Ludwig

On every thread regarding Indonesia, PTBI has successfully hijacked the debate into an attack on Australia's treatment of our indigenous Australians. He really knows how to press our buttons - well at least few of us.

This is why I do not bother with PTBI anymore. I gave him the opportunity to debate politely and reasonably without resort to insults - he has failed to do this.

I can only assume that your question to PTBI is rhetorical, clearly his agenda is to create division and hostility. If he really cared about rights of Australian aboriginals, he would join the many threads available on that topic at OLO.

Back on topic, the truth of Indonesian brutality over West Papua is emerging, in spite of PTBI's refuttals and our own spineless government's response to the plight of West Papua.

See: http://smh.com.au/news/NATIONAL/UN-appeal-for-stranded-Papuan-mother/2006/04/18/1145126097951.html

"Refugee advocates have appealed to the United Nations to help the wife of a Papuan asylum seeker, who has been forced to flee over the border to Papua New Guinea............Ms Wanggai, who separated from her husband two years ago, initially said her daughter was taken from her without permission.

But she now says Indonesian authorities coerced her into making the statement."

Regards

Dianne

Ludwig & co. - as someone previously asked me on this thread 'why are you wasting your time'? You are attempting to have a rational debate with somebody who thinks that putting the word 'and' between two nouns equates the two nouns - eg 'aboriginals and kangaroos'.

PTBI states 'Australian govt put Aborigines in the category of "protected florae and faunae", along with koalas and marsupials. You still viewed these real Australians as nothing more than animals. Yet you dare claiming yourself to be "superior" and "civilised"? What a pathetic joke!'

I agree, that statement is a pathetic joke. The heinous sin I committed was to use the words 'aboriginals' and
'kangaroos' in the same sentence. For example, if one follows this trail, 'Comanches and buffalo' would equate Comanches with buffalo. Ergo! Obviously the writer is calling Comanches animals. 'Divers and fish' - divers are being called fish!

Pathetic. 'genocidaires'? Even more pathetic. Kind of puts things into perspective, though