Kekenidika

Lay your paranoia to rest and stop thinking about smoke and mirrors and hidden agendas.

Why do you have a problem with me exercising a sane and logical approach, or continuing to respond at all?

As far as I’m concerned it is working well. Some significant points have been revealed about the nature of this PTBI character

Ludwig

You stated "Some significant points have been revealed about the nature of this PTBI character"

Well if you have figured him out and clearly PTBI is merely trolling, I'm with Kekenidika, why do you continue to bother?

You have some excellent points to make regarding this thread and I really would prefer to read them rather than this pointless rant with PTBI. Everytime you respond to him, he has succeeded. Ignore this poor excuse for an Indonesian.

Ludwig - I have no problem with any of your posts, all of which are sound and have logic - however that could never be said of the persona you are attempting to draw out, because from where I see it, the only responses to date, have been lies, perversions of arguments and personal invective directed at individual posters which in my opinion, being the sole purpose to create an alienation between posters (and itself) - and it certainly has done that!

As chainsmoker wrote so perceptively and I would have thought that even you would have noted, was that the tone and manner that has been shown to date is one of deceptive, in and out of character, a persona with a modicum of education, (but not one of intelligence) one of animal rat cunning - but a definite agenda to ferment far worse xenophobia than what already exists now and as for you revealing which and whatever significant (sic) points about his nature are a moot point - as far as I am able to ascertain in my own right, he is far too smart by half for his own good and deserves only to be talked about - not too...

If you wish to continue attempting to draw it into any sane and logical discussion, that is your right and not for me to dispute, however for myself, I prefer intelligent discourse rather than listening to a lengthy diatribe which seems like a waste of time and as for the drivel being issued forth, my child has a far more accurate command of intelligence than has been shown of late.

Ludwig

I think what Kekenidika means is what I posted above except more verbal.

Back to the big question "Should we allow Indonesia a veto over our refugee policy?"

Answer: Never, Australia is a sovereign nation.

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INDONESIA: GOVERNMENT WANTS NON-MUSLIMS TRIED BY ACHEH ISLAMIC COURT
Banda Aceh, 26 April (AKI/Jakarta Post) -

The Indonesian government has insisted that Muslims and non-Muslims alike in Nanggroe Aceh Darussalam district of Muslim-devout Aceh province should be tried by a planned Islamic Court. Non-Muslims accused of committing crimes such as theft and adultery, would be tried under the Sharia inspired bylaws, state secretary Yusril Ihza Mahendra told the special committee deliberating a crucial bill on Aceh's future administration.

Mahendra, responding to the proposals of several legislators who wanted non-Muslims to be given the freedom to choose under which law they would be tried, said it would only create legal uncertainty.

"Should such freedom be given, non-Muslims will certainly choose to be tried under the Criminal Code, because it carries more lenient punishment," Yusril told the hearing, held to discuss the authority of the planned Islamic Court, also known as Mahkamah Sharia.

Yusril said that in the case of adultery, non-Muslims who committed adultery with Muslims would undoubtedly opt for trial by Indonesia's penal code, because it was more lenient than stoning or other forms of corporal punishment stipulated under Islamic Law.

A number of factions, such as the Christian-based Prosperous Peace Party (PDS) and the Buddhist inspired Indonesian Democratic Party of Struggle (PDI-P), have proposed that non-Muslims be given the freedom to choose under which law they would be tried for ordinary crimes.

Yusril said later in the hearing that non-Muslims could be exempted for trial by the Islamic Court only in cases related to domestic matters, such as distribution of wealth as well as business and monetary issues.

He added details about the Islamic Court would await the drawing up of more bylaws. "It is these that will decide who will be tried under which law," Yusril said. ......

Lawmaker Permadi of the PDI-P faction, who is also a member of the special committee, alleged the simmering down of the debates was connected to payments worth 181,550 dollars made to committee members by the interior ministry.

INDONESIA, STOP PERSECUTING NON-MUSLIMS NOW!

Scout

Some points ain’t all points. There are a couple other key points to determine. Sure he’s ‘trolling’. Either that or he’s an imbecile, or both.

But I hold the view that for as long as you’re advancing the discussion in some manner, or finding out more about your adversary, it is worth continuing.

What I have determined with the last few posts is that he has scant little foundation for his views and has not realised just how totally contradictory he is being with his extremism on Australian displacement of Aboriginal culture and occupation, and the promotion of Indonesian occupation and control in Papua. You might say that you knew that already. Well now it has been confirmed.

I am giving him all the chance in the world to elaborate on his views and to justify some of his statements. I would be most interested to hear a fuller account of these aspects, but he just can’t provide any substance to them.

If you think he is succeeding by making himself out to be grossly polarised, irrationally hateful and unable to justify his statements, well I’m sorry but I don’t get it.

I think that there is a very real chance that he is learning a lot from this experience. He’s not going to admit it. But hopefully he will reincarnate under a different pseudonym and partake in a much more rational debate as a result.

"Should we allow Indonesia a veto over our refugee policy?"

No, but they should be allowed to make whatever comments they feel are necessary and to diplomatically attempt to sway Australian policy if they so desire. And vice versa. Australia and Indonesia are sovereign nations that wish to have a friendly bilateral relationship. This means that they need to talk, express concerns and work together to find common ground or compromises.

We cannot put up a barrier to Indonesia’s concerns. That would surely result in a worsening of relations and very likely moves by Indonesia away from what Australia desires.