PTBI, “so if Australians bash Indonesia, then Indonesia cannot respond?”

I have not said anything of the sort.

It is surely not in your interests to attempt to twist things around like this. You can get away with that sort of thing in the letters pages of newspapers, but not on a forum like this where readers can immediately refer back to the comments that you are responding to.

Now, you have probably well and truly done this on this forum, but for my benefit could you please explain just what you mean by Australia bashing Indonesia.

By the way, I like your second paragraph. I share the same very strong views regarding invasion and effective elimination of aboriginal occupation of this continent.

Despite seeing some of your stuff as being really terrible, I can still happily admit that we do share a fair bit of common ground

PTBI - why do you constantly need things to be re-explained to you? Do you actually read posts? Obviously not. I am not comparing the two cases, I am comparing attitudes. You obviously believe in the collective guilt theory, since you persist in blaming a whole nation for the actions of a few. So why should this belief not be applied to Indonesians and Islamic terrorism? If all Australians are guilty of the 'genocide' of aboriginals, then it clearly follows, by the same theory, that all Indonesians are guilty of supporting Islamic terrorism. Or does your collective guilt theory only apply to Australians?

No 'whites' were ever prosecuted for 'genocide' because genocide was never committed in Australia.

Hitler, Seig heil, blah blah blah - your nonsense makes me tired. Perhaps Australians should pull down the country we have built and give it back to the aboriginals and kangaroos. I'm sure Indonesia would love that!

No, sorry, we will continue to occupy the wealthy modern country we have built over the past 200 years and probably give generously when Indonesia holds out its begging bowl next time.

Please dont bother to continue your diatribe about 'genocide', stolen land etc etc. You are like a broken record, the same line over and over.

Dee .... obviously you are battering your head against a brick wall trying to argue points of history to an Orang gilé, but I did write some time ago that he is just jerking your (and everone else's) collective chains.

How many times have you put forward a point, when it not only laughs at you and not only refuses to answer, but then lies and calumniates further with spurious attacks on non existant genocide here in Australia.

Of course he relegates Australians to the same level of good old Adolph, all the while denying the genocide of the Indonesians in both East Timor (with the compliance of the almighty US of A.) but if you really want to know absolute denial of Muslim perfidery, try the Turkish genocide of the Christian Armenian population - where the Muslim Turkish Ambasador has now made the outstanding allegation that the minority Armenian population was selectively murdering the majority Turkish population .. oh yeah

Oh ... and Ludwig, you really think you share common ground ... Oh please? The only common ground he shares with anyone is to bluster, lie and insult and you belittle your own intelligence by trying to empty and empty drum.

Genocide... Try this definition:
Main Entry: geno·cide
Pronunciation: 'jen-&-"sId
Function: noun
: the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group —compare HOMICIDE —geno·cid·al /"jen-&-'sId-&l/ adjective
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=genocide

Sounds a bit like what the Indonesians have done, and are doing, rather than what Australians have been accused of commiting.

@dee:

"Perhaps Australians should pull down the country we have built and give it back to the aboriginals and kangaroos."

LOL, so you are now equalising Aborginals with kangaroo animals. And this insult came after you steal their land, killed those who disapprove of this theft, kidnap their children, and methodically wiped-out their culture. How cruel and primitive! You are becoming even worse than your hero Herr Hitler!

I remember, in 1950s, Australian govt put Aborigines in the category of "protected florae and faunae", along with koalas and marsupials. You still viewed these real Australians as nothing more than animals. Yet you dare claiming yourself to be "superior" and "civilised"? What a pathetic joke!

Enough is enough, return Australia to Aborigines and go back to whatever desolate English/Irish hamlet you came from! Apologise and compensate these real Australians for all the genocide whites committed for the past 200 years!

@Ludwig:

Mate, do not twist and twirl your way around like little ballerina. It is quite clear what you said.

@Kekkendika:

LOL, what does Turkey and Armenia got to do with the topic? You are clearly not in possession of your faculties.

I suggest you consume some valium and Saint John's Wart to sooth your emotional entanglement, and then take supplements consisting of Gingko biloba and Taurine so your future posts would show some coherence.

OK, Kekk-O?

Kekenidika,

“Oh ... and Ludwig, you really think you share common ground ... Oh please? The only common ground he shares with anyone is to bluster, lie and insult and you belittle your own intelligence by trying to empty and empty drum.”

Yes, so it seems he is only on this forum for these purposes. However, we do share considerable common ground. Why do you find that so hard to accept? Let’s be level-headed and not polarised about this. Just because someone is a ratbag doesn’t mean they can’t be partly right.

PTBI,

Well if you mastery of English is so poor that you interpreted some statement I made in a manner opposite to what was expressed, then let me clarify again; I did not say or mean any such thing. Of course it would be appropriate for Indonesia to respond, to anything that Australia does, whether it affects them directly, indirectly or just as a matter of principle. We believe in free speech. Indonesia can say what it likes or respond as it sees fit. If we then think the response is inappropriate, we have every right to say so.

How can you insist that I expressed something contrary to this when I specifically clarified last time that I didn’t? How silly.

I put a very straightforward request to you and you ignored it. It is absolutely central to your whole argument. So I’ll request it again;

Could you please explain just what you mean by Australia bashing Indonesia

PTBI - you are wrong yet again - my ancestors did not come from England or Ireland. Thats what happens when you jump to conclusions - you make yourself look rather silly. The people who settled Australia came from everywhere - the UK, Europe, China, the South Pacific, even Indonesia - get the picture?

Didnt you ever learn that resorting to personal abuse denotes a loser, in any debate?

Its highly unlikely that the inhabitants of Australia, NZ, the US, Canada, Japan, or any other nation with indigenous people will pack up and return to wherever their ancestors originated 3, 4, 5, 6 or 7 generations ago - so if this is your sole solution, you need to do some serious thinking.

Are you a teenager? That would explain your one track mind and simplistic 'solutions' to serious problems.

This is my last reply to you, perhaps you should go away and grow up. When you can address people without resorting to stupid slurs about 'Hitler', 'genocide' and the rest of your arrant nonsense, perhaps you can return and debate with the grownups.

'Bye.