Hmm... So what are you saying here The alchemist? If I'm reading you correctly, you say, "Morals are a religious concept, not physiological, psychological or biological, they are failed concepts that cause more harm than good."

Ergo, I take it that you suggest the opposite is a better way to go. That is, to do more good than harm we should dispense with morality. Is that correct?

Are you promoting immorality or amorality?

To promote the former would be to promote evil - if you believed in such a concept and to promote the latter would be to rank humans with animals - let's do like on the Discovery channel.

And now there's the rub. If kids are going to get brainwashed by teachers (and I could say rude things about Yabby, but I'm not going to) about sex, just exactly which political/morality version are they going to get?

And that's exactly why it should not be taught in schools because parents should have the choice to decide which moral values go with sex education.

By all means teach the sexual physiology of mammals, including detailed human specifics, but leave out the rest. That's the parent's job. Lyn Allison here wants to become every kids mum and go do their sex education, morals, politics and braimwashing, all in accordance with her directives, which of course suit some of the posters on this page - but not all.

The subject should be taught in science/biology but should not be a stand alone topic subject to persuasive political spin as has possibly taken place in your case The alchemist.

King Canute – you are mistaken about the message of the scriptures and particularly genesis.

1. Sin is not the forbidden fruit per se as you put it. Sin is “disobedience” to God’s instruction not to eat from the tree.
2. The temptation was to become like or above God by eating from the tree (God embodies all knowledge including the knowledge of good and evil)
3. By disobeying God, sin and death entered the world. Thus we are all sinners. There is not one good person in the eyes of God. To break the least of the 10 commandments is to break all 10.
4. Sexual deviations are but a symptom of man’s sin, a sign of defiance and self glorification. Putting self above God. Living by rules other than God’s rules.
5. “Tell the truth to young adults, not scare them with falseties.” You bet. All “hang ups” and guilt feelings are the result of disobedience to God’s rules and are therefore self inflicted. The pain is caused by a guilty conscience and not misinformation as you put it.
6. As for the tormented deviate homosexuals; it is simply their unnatural lifestyle choice; the bible calls it “abomination”. There is nothing “gay” about sodomy.
7. To compare the depravity of a Mardi Gras to an upbeat church worship service is just another reflection of your sick mind.
8. True “happiness” is the result of “righteousness”. By being right with God, joy and many other blessings start to pile up.

Coach,
you should not selectively choose and reinterpret bible verses to justify your own cultural prejuduces.

Genesis is clear and unambiguous about the nature of sin, it is not disobedience of an arbitrary rule imposed by god, it is the direct consequence of eating of the fruit of knowledge of Good and evil

Genesis 2;16
16And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
 17But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

as to sex

Exodus 20 is the 10 commandments including "though shall not commit adultery"
Exodus 21, is part of the same law that god gave to moses with the ten commandments - it includes laws ensuring that wives are not neglected if a man takes other wives or concubines
Ex 21;10 If he takes another wife, he shall not withhold her food, her clothing, or her conjugal rights.
11 If he does not grant her these three things, she shall be given her freedom absolutely, without cost to her.

compare this with the song of solomon and his wives and concubines and you see a consistent theme of biblical sexuality emerge. Who are you to challenge what is in the bible.

Coach, You obviously have a well developed knowledge of good and evi, but don't try and use the bible to justify your own sexual abherations.
It is not too late for you however, Jesus died for your sins and you can transcend your sinful state. All you have to do is abandon the knowledge of good and evil and open your heart to the Jesus of the Bible and return to the garden in a state of health and communion with god and each other. - and then you won't need to tell prefabricated religous lies to innocent young people any more.

Maximus, I'm not suggesting anything. There are more approaches in life than the singular thought patterns of the religious. There is a thing called ethics, used by the sensible life forms on this planet.

Monotheists rant about their high up standing morals, yet their application in life, is filled with the opposite and shows no examples of moral fortitude.

I agree sex should be taught in biology, it's also part of our psychology and as most parents are bereft of intelligent understanding, when it comes to sex, they do one thing then tell their kids another. So how can they possibly teach it except from a suppressive dictatorial approach.

Maximus, your god certainly failed to create a sexless being, or monotheists don't understand what is really written. This is understandable considering the depth of fear and superstition that rules the lives of the followers of god.

Educating people into the psychological approaches of sex will ensure they are informed and can cope when their hormones sweep them of their feet. If we class them as intelligent beings, then they will work out their own ethical standpoint for their lives. When you submit them to failed, suppressive and harmful restrictions, they will suffer psychologically, as will society.

We can well see how inept monotheists are at living in reality, so its no wonder so many children forcibly indoctrinated into god, go through so much sexual confusion in their lives.

As an example, there are many posters on this site that make constructive and informative comments on many subjects, but the monotheists can but talk on religion, as thats the limit of their narrow and un-evolved intelligence. Its the same for sex, Lyn Allison is a typical brain dead politician who has no concept of reality, just spends her time looking in the mirror in fear, like all politicians and the religious

"just exactly which political/morality version are they going to get?"

Quite simple Maximus, we teach them what we know and have substantiated evidence for, as we teach other subjects, as we teach in universities, as we rely on in courts of law.

I see no reason, if some kids have alcoholic parents, drug addicted parents, parents who don't care abour their kids, etc, why these kids should be deprived of a complete education.

My last comment to you was made for one good reason, to get you to stop and think why what we call morals and ethics, evolved as behaviour in various social species in the first place. You can
give kids guidance in thinking about morality and ethics, without actually telling them what to believe. For that they can make up their own minds or be influenced by their parents.

Hi guys, The alchemist and Mr Yabby, it's me again.

Thanks for your replies. I accept where you're respectively coming from. Not a problem.

However, I don't see sex education being quite as simple as the cases presented - if only it was that simple, as it should be. In particular, I take considerable umbrage to the material that was proposed in the South Australian sex education trial a couple of years ago. At that time I studied their stuff fairly thoroughly and beyond a doubt, it pushed a feminist/left ideology very heavily. Now that's what I've got a problem with. In fact, pretty much the entire public school system is driven by that same philosophy, without balance, without openness. It's a grim closed shop decided upon by state boards of study. It's one reason I removed my kids from public school for home schooling. I don't trust the teachers, the curriculum or the boards of study. They are seriously bent.

I would also have the same attitude to schools if the driving force behind them was blind capitalist/right or any other dogma.

I believe knowledge should be just that, knowledge, without political bias or spin. And I'm especially suspicious of political parties calling for regimented, compulsory schooling of any kind and in particular, sex education. I know exactly what spin they'll put on it. I for one don't like that sort of education, so I fight it.

I believe that morality and ethics are life learnt. Not school taught. Decency is learnt from parents and family. Where that fails, I don't believe any school, mentor or do-gooder can straighten out the bent wheel. Only the wheel itself can do that, in time. That's what happened to me.

Anyway, it's good to talk this stuff out, but 350 words is limiting - and so too is the eternal ticking clock.