Dear Narcissist,

How do you do?

Firstly, let me tell you a little bit about Internet etiquette and the law. "Maximus, You're a twit.", you say. Perhaps you're correct, but then again perhaps you aren't.

Clearly, bereft of solid argument, you revert to the personal attack because you disagree with my post and are unable to answer it in coherent discussion, so you slander my good self, publicly, in front of all. This has a title under law and it's called defamation. Don't worry, I shall not sue you. But you should be careful, some will.

Perhaps instead of sex education, civility education might be a better subject to teach in schools. For example, you'll get a much greater sympathy from the audience if you criticise behaviour - in this case my posting and my opinions - rather than by personally attacking the individual. Personal attacks - throwing dirt at people - only reflects upon the thrower. Dirt thrown is ground lost.

Next on to your behaviour, your arguments.

You write, confronted by a menstruating 11 year-old girl a teacher is in need of training to handle the matter. "The teacher or staff member must be trained for this.", you say. Sure. Who would argue with that? But that's teacher training, not student sex education.

Now, notice how I did that. See how I criticised your behaviour, but not you as an individual? I did not call you a twit, an idiot, a fool, nor even a ratbag, regardless of my personal opinion of you. You see that's how it's done eloquently.

On with the story.

If girls need special education about the physiology of their bodies, then give it to them. But seeing as how they're only 50% of the student population, why drag boys through the misery? So too with "gay/lesbian/bisexual/beastiality/bondage/fetish" persons; they represent only about 2% of the population so why drag 98% of the student body through their misery in sex education lessons?

There's got to be a lot of better things to learn at school, like civility, respect, tolerance and especially the law.

Well said Maximus... nice (and educational) retort. Your not a twit.

The role of sex education in Schools should be limited to the reproductive and health aspects, which are a legitimate part of education. The morality, hmmm now that's a tuff one in this day and age.

I'd LOVEEEEE to suggest we outline certain types of behavior as 'acceptable' and 'unacceptable' but my list would annoy those who desire not to be marginalized because of their preference for intercourse with animals.. then there is the Nambla crowd.. OH.. I hear someone say "It's 'ok' to hammer away at them..they are BADDDD"

But I'd want to go as far as including pre-marital and extra marital sex, and would want homosexual sex on the list of 'deviate' and therefore UNacceptable to a well balanced socially healthy community.

Sadly, we have taken the line of least resistance and MAXimized the 'allowable/acceptable' and reduced the 'unnaceptable' to the bare minimum. I wonder what a teacher would say when a child or student asks "Please Mr/Ms so and so, could you tell me WHY it is immoral for older people to have sex with children" ? ummm would he/she say "err..because it is" ?...or.. "Because it damages children" ? at which point of course the smart aleck student reminds the teacher that our crimes act allows for sexual relations by older men with girls as young as 13 ! (when married to them) Perhaps the Teacher then says... "err.. I was not aware of this"

Student "Soo.... why does it 'damage' children outside of marraige but not within it" ?

Teacher. "Listen, the law is the law, and we don't allow certain things"

Student "Umm.. it cannot be the 'sex' which damages them, because its allowed if they are married, so...why don't we allow single children to have it also" ?

Teacher "Confused blank look".....'Because.. because... err.. ITS WRONG! get it ? Now sit down and no more questions !'

Then the REALLLLY annoying student, u know..that Bible bashing one.. raises his hand and asks, "What about Gods law" ?

Teachers eyes glaze over.

Yabby,

I can tell that you're a woman of good spirit. I appreciate your comments. I trust you'll take this post in the spirit in which it is written too.

Yes, I do play the devil's advocate when confronted by mindless rhetoric. After all, somebody's got to try to strike a balance.

However, I'm curious about your argument, "boys tell lies to gain consent."

Clearly you know more than I about this matter. Perhaps you have personal anecdotes about these boys' lies. Please do enlighten us. What sorts of lies do these dastardly boys tell girls that brings about the loosening of knickers?

Do they tell dog-ugly girls that they're beautiful?

Do they tell girls that if they have sex during a full moon or when the moon is waning, impregnation is impossible?

Do they pledge forever-and-ever lasting love and devotion? Is this the reason that so many innocent female schoolteachers are being seduced by young primary-school boys in recently publicised child sex abuse scandals?

Oh, those naughty lying boys. It must be all their fault.

Please do enlighten us about these despicable lies that boys do tell. I for one would be most grateful to know. If such lies do truly loosen panties, all men, and myself in particular, should know about them. But don't tell my wife.

LOL,

Good luck to you Yabby.

Hey Boaz David.

What is wrong with premarital sex? Twice now you have said you are against it, why?

What is wong with homosexuality?

I know you cant give a sensible answer beacause the only answer is because the bible says so.

King solomon had sixty wives, eighty concubines and saw a pubesent girls breasts as a sign of the beauty of of God. The bible says lots of things.

BD, we all have aptitudes in life for some things, not for others.
Rest assured that you have absolutaly no aptitude at all to write the sex education, morality and ethics course for schools :)

Maximus, my words are limited to 350 lol, but as a male I have listened to my friends and associates try to push every conceivable emotional female button, in an attempt to loosen those panties, with varying success rates. Some have been extremely good at it and have a trail of children around the district for their efforts.

You seem to think that sex education for boys is not required. Perhaps its worth teaching them, that if they take no responsibility
for their actions or for contraception, in today's society they can spend the next 20 years paying a fair % of their future salary on child maintenance payments.

There is also the question of morality and the kind of society that you want to live in. As a social species, its a more pleasant one, if we don't go around purposefully inflicting emotional pain on others through deceit. Emotional pain can be more enduring then physical pain in lots of ways. So boys should think of that before they tell girls lies. They should also think just a little about the consequences of their actions on the lives of others. If you disagree with that, then clearly you have no objection if I try to remove your daughter's panties or try to chat up your wife :)

Yabby..RATS.. another job opportunity down the tubes.. grrrr :)

Kanute.. pre-marital sex is not 'good' in the sense that it deprives us of a pure bond with our eventual mate. Mainly because if we have it with those who don't end up as our mate, we have baggage about it.

This goes for both genders.

I know I'm being rather idealistic and have not in my life fulfilled this, I've not always known Christ. I'm stating the ideal, rather than the guaranteeable.

Homosexual sex is plain wrong on two counts. Biologically, goes against our natural design. and Theologically/morally it is an abomination to God. I realize that a non Christian will not neccessarily share these views, but at least I can state them for peoples reflection.

I think we would have a wonderful society if we constructed a framework with limits to sexual adventurousness, constraining it to marraige. I find myself that if the framework is there, even the temptation to desire that which is outside the boundaries is reduced.

Its not something which can be effectively legislated.... but only by consensus and social sanction.