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By Taya Fabijanic, published 10/3/2006Israel needs to be reminded as much as Hamas about not using violence for political gains.
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Posted by Benjamin, Monday, 13 March 2006 2:26:39 PM
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I realise that Muslims are impotent as a political force, but threats still need to be managed.
Back to my original point, I believe the US has encouraged democracy to show the leftists that the Muslim world aren't ready for democracy. This is evident in Palestine as well as Egypt (where the Brotherhood won many seats) and in Iraq. It is only western leftists that hold us back from installing Attaturk type figures accross the region. This will be benefitial in the sense that they need an iron fist, because they view tolerance as weakness (one only has to look to Muslim diasporas in the west to see this attitude), yet a dictator who forces human rights on them, who forces them to accept that we are not inferior to Muslims, that we must live as equals, under western developed principles of human rights. We are all humans, not Muslims, Christians, Jews, Australians, Turks, etc. Those superficial identities must be washed away if were ever to be united. People must cast off their racism towards Europeans, particularly Anglo's (which I believe suffers racism the most throughout the world) because their cultures came up with the better moral value systems. Everyone has already voted with their feet, the world's refugees flee to the west, it's about time that people's heads get the message too. Posted by Benjamin, Monday, 13 March 2006 2:30:13 PM
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Boaz: "Not aware"? Don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining. "Common sense and history"? Whose cs & h? "God Given homeland"? How tribal! 1948? "In the months preceeding the Arab invasion we continued to make sallies into the Arab area...Our hope lay in gaining control of territory. At the end of January 1948, at a meeting of the Irgun Command...we outlined 4 strategic objectives: Jerusalem, Jaffa, the Lydda-Ramleh plain, the Triangle..." (Begin, 'The Revolt') January, not May! "Real indigenous population"? The present day Palestinian Arabs are the ancestors of the original Canaanite pop. of Palestine. "Lopsided justice"? No, simply justice which conforms to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, international law and relevant UN resolutions. "The place where they were living"? Their homeland. "A victim through my ancestors"? Inherited victimhood - you're joking! So, the "Arabs" as you call them [take a deep breath and say Pal-est-in-ians] have to "get over it" after an actual 68 years exile, but you're unable to get over an imaginary exile of thousands of years? Boaz, get out of the 1st Century and get a life.
Posted by Strewth, Monday, 13 March 2006 2:40:52 PM
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Sorry. What a load of one-sided rubbish. For instance, Hamas is still taking a hard line stance, http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/printpage/0,5481,18382137,00.html
Calling withholding of aid until they moderate blackmail (as if they have a right to aid) http://www.theage.com.au/text/articles/2006/03/08/1141701574820.html With a new hamas childrens website calling on them to fight zionists and commit suicide for God. http://www.ynetnews.com/Ext/Comp/ArticleLayout/CdaArticlePrintPreview/1,2506,L-3225214,00.html Suffice to say, the moral equivalance of the author belongs in a hollywood film. Israel has been invaded multiple times and is in a very real struggle for survival. Apparently though, when they try and kill terrorists they are the same as them. Nonsense really. Posted by Alan Grey, Monday, 13 March 2006 2:48:38 PM
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Where is Jordon Strewth? That is your Palestine. You have just unmasked your identity.
Your version of the Seven Day war sounded like a speech by the then Egyptian President: For if he spoke the truth, Syria and Jordon would not have entered the war, only they were duped, and the Fledging Jews, were not so Fledging, were they? Thus the events unfolded. They did not crush Israel, Israel crushed them. Can you recall the Odds Strewth? Like I said before, Illuminati: Posted by All-, Monday, 13 March 2006 2:54:33 PM
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All-: "Jordon"? What is "Jordon"? "Seven Day war"? Never heard of it. "Fledging Jews"? Is this a new tribe I haven't heard of before? Please illuminate us.
Posted by Strewth, Monday, 13 March 2006 4:48:40 PM
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It is obvious that democracy in this savage region would translate into votes for xenophobic, misoginystic, religo-fascists, indeed, we have seen this already with Hamas.
Those posts who think the US is hypocritical for calling for democracy yet threatening aid withdrawal don't see the big picture.
One canno't tolerate democracy if that means an end to another state. If the Palestinians, who have been viewed as victims for so long, long to genocide their neighbour - as they do, then they must be crushed.
I believe that the US knows this, as it doesn't take a genius to know that by and large, the Muslim world is an intolerant, savage set of cultures, immorral to the core.
A bit harsh? I don't think so. Although leftists use the excuse that terrorism is only supported by a few, this doesn't hold up when one considers everyday things, like how the Simpsons - which now airs in the Arab world - had to remove Krusty the clown, Apu the Hindu, the Rev. Lovejoy, because the audience are intolerant bigots.
Scores of surveys by both fanatical leftists & reputable organisations show the same thing, the vast majority of Muslims want to take Islam to the world. In Britain, the largest Muslim group on campuses (where the 'educated Muslim class' are represented) is Hizbut-Tahrir (or as I call them Here's Butt, Put Dick Here!), who are nothing short of Nazi's who wish to shape our planet.
The nonsense argument we here of just ignore them as they could never succeed is outrageous. We are told that, in Australia, white supremacists number around 500, and they have no impact on our lives at all, yet we still hear about them