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Palestine a democracy? : Comments

By Taya Fabijanic, published 10/3/2006

Israel needs to be reminded as much as Hamas about not using violence for political gains.

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Boaz_David: "To give balance thousands of Jews were 'ethnically cleansed'from surrounding Arab lands." Hello? Jews ethnically cleansed by Arabs? Let's get the facts straight here: In the 1950's, after the mass expulsion of Palestinian (Muslim & Christian) Arabs from their homes and lands in western Palestine in 1948, Israel, while shooting any Palestinians who tried to return to their homes and lands, launched active campaigns to uproot Jewish Arabs in places such as Iraq, Yemen and Morocco to colonise some of the vast landholdings and property it had stolen from the Palestinian refugees via the Absentees Property Law (1950). Also, by successfully achieving such population transfers, they hoped to neutralise the claims of the Palestinian refugees. And if, as in the case of the Iraqi Jews, the latter were somewhat reluctant to leave their homeland, then the Zionist underground in Iraq were not averse to bombing Baghdad synagogues to help them make up their minds. The self-serving, Israeli-engineered population transfer of Arab Jews to Israel cannot be described as ethnic cleansing. Nor can it be used to deny the inalienable right of the Palestinian refugees to return to their homes and lands.
Posted by Strewth, Saturday, 11 March 2006 9:54:37 AM
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OOOOO dear oo me:
The United States Congress heard a damning report this week about U.S. aid being over-alotted due to deliberately inflated Palestinian population figures.

The findings of an exhaustive study on Palestinian Authority (PA) population statistics claims that the Palestinian Authority has deliberately misled U.S. and international humanitarian efforts by inflating their population figures to attract billions of dollars in relief funds.

Bennet Zimmerman, Project Leader of a recent study entitled "Arab Population in the West Bank and Gaza: The Million Person Gap," presented the findings to the Congress this week. Zimmerman addressed the House International Relations Subcommittee on the Middle East which has been investigating U.S. funding of the Palestinian Authority.

"American tax dollars and other international humanitarian aid have been based on inflated population numbers which have been accepted without question by governments and aid agencies," he said in an interview with the World Net Daily. "Our researchers pointed out that money has been spent to help Palestinians who were double-counted, never born or not present in the West Bank and Gaza."

According to Zimmerman, the current official population for the West Bank and Gaza, which is listed as 3,279,141, is a highly inflated figure that does not reflect the demographic reality, which he estimates at 1.4 million in the West Bank and 1 million in Gaza, totaling 2.4 million. "The U.S. and Europeans have for years accepted entirely exaggerated data. Now Congress has some very tough questions to ask, including how its own State Department and the CIA could have been duped and what do to regarding future aid," stated Zimmerman
Posted by All-, Saturday, 11 March 2006 1:34:31 PM
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Somewhat closer to the Point

The US has been after Iran as a Hegemonic prize for a long time.
The nearest success was with the planting of the Puppet Shah, fake descendant of the Persian Peacock Throne, placed there at America’s will.

It is truly amazing how many of our somewhat moronic public. as well as many of our contributors, don’t appear to have a clue about Middle East history since WW2, which is dominated by America’s eagerness to call the tune over the whole Middle East, with a couple of co-Anglophiles now tagging along like little obedient puppies.

First there was the pretext that Iran had Communist leanings, but with no threats to anyone bar the US and our dearest Yours Trulies, Brittannia and Aussieland, the gallant threesome determined to capture the most valuable prize in the Middle East, Iran, a nation of more than 80 million people, not Arabic, but proudly Persian, as a real genuine Persian Peacock Dynasty would have insisted.

It is well to remember the Ayotollah Khomeni, and even some earnest Anglos clapping their hands when the whole American embassy was taken prisoner towards the end of Jimmy Carter’s Presidency.

Not to give up, the US backed by Henry Kissinger, helped organise the Iraqi attack on Iran in 1981, which went on for more than eight years, with Americans like Donald Rumsfeld reckless enough to supply Saddam of Iraq with chemical weapons.
Posted by bushbred, Saturday, 11 March 2006 7:08:29 PM
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Part Two

But still the Americans could not gain the prize, the war itself fizzling out with enormous casualties, with the CIA in a lot of trouble over the Iran-Contra scandal with Kissinger having decided to supply arms to both sides.

Apart from its dynamic Persian days, Iran had still not attacked any other nation. Understandably there has been concern over Iran backing the Arab militancy against Israel which indeed was an outcome warned about by the British, when what was left of the Jews after the Nazi genocide asked to be given back what they termed their Promised Land. Sure this has been the cause of much of the Middle East tension since WW2, some researchers saying that the amount of money and effort gone into protecting the Israelis by the US with the allowance of atomic war capacity included, is the main reason Iran wants to go nuclear. It was also mentioned that it would have been better for America to let the Jews settle in a part of the US as a new Promised Land, which is happening in any case right now with so many Zionists with US Presidential Addresses.

With murderous goons like Rumsfeld and Cheney virtually running the world, must make people with a sense of literary history such as the recent Nobel Prize winner, Harold Pinter, wonder how we could have ever reached the situation we are now in. For instance, with a President we should admire, looking a far better character for a comic opera rather than in the ultra-high position he now is in. Certainly Pinter does not pull any punches, and it is a real pity that there are not more noted personages game to speak up about the mess our world is now in, with the media just lately more content to relate about more breaking of records concerning world billionares, indicating the way the world is being run with its trickle down misguided globalisation
Posted by bushbred, Saturday, 11 March 2006 7:31:30 PM
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I think one has to call a spade a spade - Hamas is a terrorist organization. It would be mendacious to pretend otherwise. Hamas openly supports the use of terrorism to further its political objectives, and one of those includes the destruction of Israel. Therefore, why should Hamas be accepted as a legitimate political partner simply because it was elected? The National Socialist Party in Germany also gained power through democratic means. Does that mean it should have been internationally accepted also?

The Palestinians need to be aware that if they wish to elect terrorists to govern them, then the international community has the right to respond accordingly. I would have thought by now that the Palestinians would have realized that beggars can't be choosers in terms of their relations with Israel. If they want statehood, they have to deal with Israel on its terms.
Posted by Dresdener, Sunday, 12 March 2006 1:56:30 AM
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Strewth
I actually took you seriously until you began a clear 'propoganda' rant in that last post.

"It was the Israeli underground which drove Jews from Arab lands"

I suppose you also believe 911 was a Mossad plot and that no Plane crashed into the Pentagon and that Osama bin Ladin is actually just 'misunderstood' and in fact a holy patriot of all righteousness ?

They tend to go together u know.

Well, I tried to look up some information on your claim and cannot find any. It seems it exists in the recesses of your own mind, or in sources not controlled by the'international zionist conspiracy' ?
Please be forthcoming with some actual sources which I can examine and scrutinize.

Here is a quote from a site "Middle East Facts"
http://www.middleeastfacts.com/Articles/history-of-jews-in-arab-countries.php

"Syrian Jewry supported the aspirations of the Arab nationalists and Zionism, and Syrian Jews believed that the two parties could be reconciled and that the conflict in Palestine could be resolved. However, following Syrian independence from France in 1946, attacks against Jews and their property increased, culminating in the pogroms of 1947, which left all shops and synagogues in Aleppo in ruins. Thousands of Jews fled the country, and their homes and property were taken over by the local Muslims."

Another which is quite verifiable because on the public record.

Jews In 1956: The Egyptian government used the Sinai Campaign as a pretext for expelling almost 25,000 Egyptian Jews and confiscating their property.

Approximately 1,000 more Jews were sent to prisons and detention camps. On November 23, 1956, a proclamation signed by the Minister of Religious Affairs, and read aloud in mosques throughout Egypt, declared that "all Jews are Zionists and enemies of the state," and promised that they would be soon expelled.

I suppose some Mossad agent had plastic surgery to 'look' like the Egyptian Minister for religious affairs ? :)
Posted by BOAZ_David, Sunday, 12 March 2006 7:09:20 AM
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