Boaz, I couldn't ever take you seriously: As a Zionist you naturally rely on such Zionist propaganda sites as middleeastfacts and then accuse those who don't of propaganda. It probably won't do me much good, but let me appeal to the human being behind the blinkered Zionist ideologue: shut down your computer long enough to do a bit of reading, you know, in books? On the predicament of the Iraqi Jews, look up Abbas Shiblak's 'Iraqi Jews'; on the Zionist campaign to uproot Arab Jews more generally, try David Hirst's 'The Gun & the Olive Branch' (and while on the subject of Mossad plots check out Hirst's account of the 'Lavon affair'). The truth of the matter is that the single worst catastrophe ever to befall both Arab Jews and indigenous Palestinians was the establishment of a sectarian Jewish state in Palestine.

An Interview with Ali Sina on Muslims in Europe

http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/sina60219.htm
http://www.faithfreedom.org/

Ali Sina:
"Words can mean different things to different people. It is important to understand what people mean when they use a certain word. Let's make an example. Take the word gay. Fifty years ago, gay meant exclusively cheerfulness, lighthearted excitement, merry or bright colors. Today this word has a different meaning. You won't call a cheerful person gay because it could be understood as something else.

Just as the same word can mean different things in different times, it can also mean different things in different cultures. Islam does not mean peace. It means submission. The word 'peace' for Muslims has a different meaning. Peace, according to Muslims, will be achieved when everyone submits to Islam. Muslims can't offer peace. They can offer truce. In their minds, peace will be achieved only when you are subdued and they are the masters. Any other arrangement is not Islamic.

Recently the newly elected leaders of Hamas, who have been surprisingly honest, have spelled the concept of Islamic peace eloquently. They said that they won't give up on their quest to destroy Israel but meanwhile, as long as they are weak and realizing that such dream is not yet possible, they are willing to work out a truce, to be broken when they feel strong enough to wipe out Israel from the map and establish the 'peace' as it is acceptable by Islam.

Muhammad divided the world in two sectors. One he called Dar us Salam (House of Peace) and the other, Dar al Harb (House of War). All countries, where Islam is not the ruling authority, are Dar al Harb. It is the duty of the Muslims to wage Jihad in Dar al Harb, overthrow the governments and force people into submission. This is the only kind of peace that Islam recognizes."

Well Bush bred,
After that expose of Post hock drivel, and as a senior in our society, you are an abject failure. I note you gloating about Graduating on an earlier thread. That is obvious; you rant and rave on like a 22 year old Lobotomized socialist who received his programming in our Educational Gulags: Or a more apt description- “Anti Epistemology and Moral- Ethical-self righteous Conditioning Gulags:” Personally: You failed, and you of all people should have known better.

Do your self a favor, put a brick into your computer, and then go buy a set of: “Cambridge Ancient Histories of the Middle East.” That would be the best Investment you ever made.

You Post Modern knowledge have done you no favors. All your espoused crap has been dealt with before on many occasions, but here is a brief: http://www.ninevehsoft.com/fiorina.htm in the form of a letter addressed to some other Post hock felon and Frauds on the Islamic subject. Read and listen to Martin.

I had to pick my jaw of the ground when I read your contribution Bushbred. Fairdinkum. It could have been a Gough Whitlam speech written by Mark Latham. - And you left out “Bum Licker”.

Strewth.
You sound like an Illuminati: Using reverse psychology tactics, and to state the opposite of what is known fact.

Save your energy DB, some are too far gone to bring back to reality, regardless of their Religious orientation. But I would have mentioned that all other Religions have from an Anthropological perspective and tribal demographics, evolved from the one basic principle belief- bar one. Guess which one that is?
You can find that out from the Encyclopedias of the Orient. Yes they were written before Academic Phonies and Looters were trendy.

All- An illuninati, eh? Shedding a little too much light on the subject for you, am I? Re your earlier irrelevant post, allow me to shed a little more: your friend, Bennett Zimmerman, a supporter of illegal Israeli colonizers on occupied Palestinian and Syrian land, spooked by Barak's negotiations with the Syrians over the Golan, and alarmed that Sharon was (at least in part) justifying his unilateral withdrawal from Gaza by citing the Palestinian 'demographic threat' to Israel's self-proclaimed democracy, decided that if he could show that the Palestinian population was considerably less than claimed, then that would help neutralise the perceived need for further withdrawals of Israeli colonizers. The fact that his 'research' was unveiled at the neocon 'thinktank', the American Enterprise Institute, should come as no surprise. Have you no shame peddling this kind of tripe?

Dear Strewth
actually, I was not aware of my source being a zionist propoganda arm, but that is really not the issue.
Common sense and history both tell us that the Jewish RE-ESTABLISHMENT of their God Given homeland, was like a red rag to an Arab bull, and just for the record, 'who' attacked 'who' in 1948 ?
The messy and volatile climate of the time could probably be argued either way, but the main attack came from the Arabs ... ALL of them.

Such things neither justify or condemn the existence of Israel.
If you wish to seek a political solution, you need to goto Rome and discuss with the Italian government how they plan to fix the problem they created in the yr 70 when the stole the land of Israel from its REAL indigenous population, whom they exiled i.e. the Jews.

The issue of 'who' is the real 'indigenous' population of Israel is moot. You can argue with the covenant of God, or the power of a gun, it boils down to the fact that Israel is there, and they are so in the same way that the Arabs got 'there'... military power, be it the Muslim armies of Mohammed or the Ottoman Turks.

So, it leads me to the conclusion that you are either after a lop sided justice of your own flavor, where you pick and choose the historical tent pegs which suit your case, or you are in fact an Arab, where the only result you want is the least likely to suceed.

While I am sympathetic to the plight of Arabs who have lost the place they were living, I am also a victim through my ancestors of similar ethnic cleansing, and life aint that bad here in Aussie land :)
So.. the Arabs can just plain 'get over it' and begin new lives just as every other exiled people have had to do, or..they can try the military option and become a 'deceased people'...the choice is theirs.

I've read today that Austarlia is working on a nuclear reactor that can recycle nuclear waste,unbeknownst to me at the time,I suggested something months ago to the solution to nuclear waste.

If this is achieved soon,we won't have to worry about the Middle East and their ignorant superstitions.

Australia has 40% of the known uranium reserves and the rest of the world can get on with the realities of building a quality of life and better philosophy that Muslim Philosophy shuns at their peril.

Well in the future,the next time those stupid Imans shout "Bloody Murder" over innocous cartoons,they won't even make it to letters to the editor let alone raise a few eyebrows in fear or disgust.

Now at what price could we sell uranium to the Middle East and the latest recycling technology?