Realist: Will answer your 6 points.
1. This is an open forum - you can always leave.
2.So "delicately?" put but my flatuance pongs also, though unlike some I do not try to 'taste' it and/or comment on it.
3.I am not fighting a war and 'idiots?' like me are just responding to pagan moslem posts and at the same time letting others know about what I have found from various sources.
4.I've probably been here longer than you and have seen first hand the results of 'hiding'and/or excusing the actions of bloody terrorists. In those days we had our 'bleeding hearts' and nazi sympathisers as well - we called them traitors when the war began.
5.It's caled debating,it's a forum if you want recipes and love advice go elsewhere.
6. See above! So if we obey you debate subjects that are sweet and nice we can all get along with you -oh! get a life.
SandiM:1. Personal vitriol and hate not from me only hatred for a pagan death-loving cowardly man made religion.
2.Don't have to as Christianity is far superior in every way.
3. see No.1. The reason I attack moslem lies is so people like you won't get sucked in by the glib lying moslems talk.
Laurie: I have not personally attacked Salam because of her colour or religion,I have not called her a 'nutbag'. But I have and will continue to 'attack', as you put it, the false pagan man-made religion and the lies spread by pagan islamist. numbat

Indeed Numbat, you shall see if you look directly above your post that I did not say "attack" at all.

I understand that you view your religion as superior (as all religious folks should, if they did not think so they would not believe as such), but surely you can refain from your sneering tone of "pagan muslims". Insulting hundreds of millions of people's beliefs (both those who identify as muslim and those who identify as 'pagan') is simply inflammatory and does nothing to advance your cause.

Listen to yourself Numbat.

You did not recieve the message i tried to send to your kind.

You are a bigut, a coward and are looking for a place to vent. Go and stand outside a mosque and vent yourself if you hate them so much. I dare you.

I am not a bleeding heart either moron, i am as tough as nails and no religion means no restrictions....i dont do things in the name of the lord, i do things because i choose to, i dont hide behind excuses to be a small minded, petty, PC hero.

Face facts, you dont like the other side of the fence, dont look. Irfan did not ask for you to be a bigut, he was not asking people to respond as biguts. calm down and be civil.

realist, numbat is hiding behind the "Christian's aren't perfect, just forgiven" sticker he has attached to his life (as are quite a few other posters). He does not seem to understand how his posts reflect on his faith.

Nor does he understand how telling the contrast between posts by most of the known christains on this site and posts by the few muslims who've managed to stay dispite the ongoing abuse (nothing like debate) is on the christains claims about the evils of Islam compared to their "true faith".

Thankfully not all christains are like that, I have known some who understand that that their faith must be lived to have any meaning, who understand that their actions speak louder than their claims about their faith.

It would be easy to develop some stereotypes of christains based on what we see of christains on this site but as with muslims they are not all the same.

Robert

Benjamin,

Please read my posting carefully, I was talking about pre & post 1948. There was no anti-semitism before 1948.

As for Egyptian Christians it’s a little more complicated but here is my views in bullet points:

- Egypt rates poorly on human rights and anti-discrimination laws. Its still a preferred destination to torture and extract confessions regardless of whether you are a Muslim or Christian (recent example the Mamdouh Habib one).
- The issues with Egyptian Christians have a recent (mid 1970s) political background and was initially triggered by President Sadat encouragement & support to Islamist movements (There was no discrimination of any sort or form before 1970s and any Egyptian Christian will confirm that to you).
- Many of the discrimination claims I saw on some Copts websites are exaggerated for a political purpose. There are sites promoting Coptic separatism movements and a tip for you is they will always ask for ethnicity based parliament representations rather than asking for human rights and anti-discrimination laws to be enforced.
- The issue of discrimination arise mainly in the south of Egypt or people with low education/ social status. Many cases are plain theo nepotism where a Christian business owner hires only Christians and the opposite. But majority of Egyptians don’t abide by that crap. My 2 brothers and my father in law employ Christians and I did when I was working in Egypt.
- The discrimination in Egypt is between those who have and who have not. Many rich Christian families in Egypt are wealthy and own large businesses and are treated like movie stars (Mobinil is the number one Egyptian telecom owned by a Christian family for example).

Fellow_Human,

Your nose is growing longer yet again - what did Allah say about lying on your pagan's day Friday?

You say:

(There was no discrimination of any sort or form before 1970s and any Egyptian Christian will confirm that to you).

I know of many many many cases of racial, religious, discrimination post 1950s. It has strived under Abdel Nasser... Until he put an end to the Al-Ekhouan Al-Moslemun, which contributed to his death (poisoned).

How about promotions at universities, the army, government agencies, permits for new churches or renovations of ancient ones?

How about the identity card with name, photo, finger print, AND RELIGION?

Egypt is, was and will always be the pearl of the Mediterranean sea. You don't need to embellish the stories to paint a rosier picture.

’Rich and poor’ has always been an issue there. Socialism after the 1956 revolution has ruined the country. Forcing all foreign heads of companies, Christians and Jews, (manufacture, infrastructure, resources, etc…) to flee the country leaving everything behind for indigenous people to run them:

The result: "chaos".

Discrimination - you bet.

Islamic influence – definitely.

As for our debate here I don't think we can come to any agreement.

My position is based on centuries of revelations, historical, biblical, prophetic, facts. All have come true, all provable.

Not one word announcing Mohammad. Jesus categorically warned us of FALSE Prophets coming after him.

Your position is based on a cultic following of a nomad warrior with a megalomaniac ambition to equate himself to Judaic Prophets “by force”. You can call that a religion and follow it but don't insult others and impose it (by stealth and ruse) as the ultimate religion that all should come under or else…

Sorry. You have not answered my previous accusations regarding your sect; instead you tried to wave the white flag, and when that hasn’t worked, you tried to attack Jesus.

It is only fair that you do answer before you raise your own questions.