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Just how Aussie do we have to be? : Comments

By Salam Zreika, published 7/3/2006

Let's move past common stereotypes of Muslims.

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First of all, it is not a “handful” of Muslims that have extreme views and refuse to integrate, and it is not just in Australia. We know Islam is not practiced in a single uniform manner – but there are certain generalizations about Islam and Muslims that are absolutely valid. The fact is that Islam is intolerant and Muslims, when they immigrate, bring their hate and intolerance with them. Of course, it is not all of them, but it occurs in far greater numbers than Muslims care to admit and it is so common that it constitutes a problem for any society dealing with Muslims.

In case Mr Zreika hasn’t noticed it, another thing that separates practicing Muslims from other folks is their admiration for their prophet – a man that did many vile and abominable things. In case anybody here doesn’t know it, but Islam’s own writings tell us that Mohammad was a slaver, torturer, murderer, wife-beater and permitted rape. And this man is their great moral example.

Most Australians don’t care who you criticize or who you worship. Muslims think Allah and his prophet deserve special protection so that Muslims’ feeling don’t get hurt. They feel that their right not to be offended supercedes other peoples right to freedom of speech. Yes, it is the ordinary Muslims that believe this and it is the ordinary Muslims that want to silence all criticism of their religion and their dear prophet.

The fact is that Mr Zreika really has no answer as to what is the true Islam. I don’t think he wants to know. Let me take is own words about men who shout “Allah Akbar” and then do disgusting things: he says this neither means they represent mainstream Australian Muslims nor does it mean they are correct in their view of Islam. Notice the denial. So I guess it is also his position that this also does not mean they don’t represent mainstream Muslims nor does it mean they are not correct in their view of Islam. Think about this!

Radical Muslims kill, moderates make excuses.

Kactuzkid
Posted by kactuz, Tuesday, 7 March 2006 10:41:43 AM
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“Although a lot of them probably don’t speak much English”. NOT Australian, for starters.

If Muslims wish not to be stereotyped, they should stop acting out the stereotype – a good start would be for the author herself to stop wearing her most un-Australian, Muslim garb. Muslims decking themselves out in this medieval clothing automatically put up a wall between themselves and other people.

After waffling on about a very few Muslims who have been here since the year dot, she admits that the recent arrivals have “usually” started life here in detention centres. That’s also un-Australian, entering a country illegally. Australians would rightly ask what else people who do that are capable of.

We can’t take much notice of what this author says, though. She starts off her piece by saying that the “only things” separating Muslims from the rest of us is that they don’t go to pubs, and they don’t have sex before marriage, and they pray five times a day. But, towards the middle of her ramble, she suddenly remembers that some Muslims do drink, refuse to pray, and party with girls. Not good Muslims girls, of course.

She says that some Muslims do talk about jihad and world domination. They do indeed, and they are telling the truth of Islam. The author fails to mention other Muslims who talk twaddle to take our minds of the real intent of Islam, which is to take back what was taken from it, plus what the West has.

Zreika finally devotes a couple of paragraphs to defending Islam against the way it supposedly treats women. Actually, she is probably right about this aspect of her faith. You only have to see the hate filled faces of women garbed in black, waving placards in the Middle East to doubt that they are abused innocents.

Make no mistake. Salam Zreika is a warrior for Islam, in her own way
Posted by Leigh, Tuesday, 7 March 2006 10:50:34 AM
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SALAM SAID:

"The only things I can think of that separate practising Australian Muslims from other Australians is that we don’t hang out in pubs on Friday night after work, don’t eat pork, generally don’t get involved in hanky panky before marriage and are obligated to pray five times a day."

COMMENT:

1/ For 'pubs' substitute 'malls' and you have the Muslim version.
2/ Pork. ... will you accept a dinner invitation to eat with non muslims if they (out of courtesy) don't serve pork ? (if ur in Melbourne, come and have dinner with me and my wife.)

3/ Generally no hankie panky b4 marraige ? (I just about fell over on this one) errr.. for the girls... sure. but the BOYS ? eeeuwww..

4/ Obilgated to pray 5 times a day.

Sooo.... in the middle of a highly active production environment, you expect to be 'let off' for prayer ? (I don't agree with cigarette breaks either !)
Or.. have free time on Friday ? This is one point which makes the practice of Islam highly UNcompatable with Australian life.

RADICAL/MAINSTREAM

The point about 'radical' verses 'mainstream' and 'how' Islam is practiced, needs to have close scrutiny.

Just as a Christian needs to be 'scrutinized' on the basis of the foundation documents and principles of his/her faith, so does a Muslim.

You just have to ask "Are they true to the foundations/fundamentals"?

Clearly, the answer to this for Islam is that the radicals are closer to the Quran and Hadith and Histories than mainstreamers, who are probably described as 'nominal' by the radicals.

There IS a command to 'behead' those attacking the Muslims in the Quran.

There is NO such command for Christians to even fight for their faith.

We have one weapon, and one alone. "Christ, crucified, raised"
Posted by BOAZ_David, Tuesday, 7 March 2006 11:32:46 AM
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Salam: Of course only a few pagan moslems get up to 'hanky-panky' they call it rape! The writer must know that a lot of moslems are on welfare more by ratio than any other group. She must know that some 'pious?' five times a day prayers have taken more than one wife, which itself is un-Australian and illegal. Further she must know that these women,using their family name are getting single mother's benefits. How much of this money goes back to the "husband?" so to enable him to continue bludging? Then these pagan moslems want to assimilate?
Should, it will not happen, pagan islamics take over this writer would be out of her job, would lose her driver's licence, would have to be accompanied by a male relative whenever she left her, actually his, home. Then if it was only alleged that she made eyes at a Christian one of her "loving?" male relatives would possibly murder her. Back to 'hanky-panky' when the male X-rated paradise is full of perpetual female virgins and eternally untouched boys all for the use of. Then she claims that only a few of these pagan moslem "men?" are sex crazed. As someone else said in her way this writer is a soldier of pagan islam. numbat
Posted by numbat, Tuesday, 7 March 2006 12:11:04 PM
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Multiculturalism and mass migration have never been approved by democratic vote in australia. They have been inflicted on us in an undemocratic and dishonest way. When you start by supporting the lie that Australians have deliberately adopted multiculturalism, it calls the rest of your statements into question as well.
Posted by Bull, Tuesday, 7 March 2006 12:15:58 PM
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Salam asks: "What is the Australian way of life?"

Not so long ago Australians didn't have special 'swim' times set aside at the council owned pool for people based on their religion and sex.

Australians have long since abandoned the practise of having slaves.

Not so long ago, on any Sunday people could be observed going to church with the startling sight of the congregation comprising men and women.

Not so long ago, Australian women who went about their 9 - 5 routines did so without the need to cover their head.

I don't think it's ever been the practice of Australian men to remove a piece of skin between a female's legs in order to limit her sexual pleasure and guarantee she remains faithful.

The appearance of pork on the menu of any Australian local council did not cause headlines in the local paper.

The above and many more everyday scenes and practices captured the zeitgeist of the 60's and 70's.
Posted by Sage, Tuesday, 7 March 2006 12:30:58 PM
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