RObert: Your NOT! a bigot? deary-deary-me. numbat

The first religion handed down to human kind was Judaism from God to Moses in the first holy Book, the first 5 chapters of the Old Testament. God said "I Am not a man that I would lie"' He is the same yesterday today and forever (NT)
He is a God that NEVER changes,He is the Alpha and Omega The beginning and The End.
Jesus said "Heaven and Earth will pass away ,but My Word will Never pass away".

He said,"call unto Me and I wil answer thee",
The Bible has hidden mathematics in it ,read "The Seal of God", online ,page by page absolute proof that only God could write and inspire the Bible from cover to cover ,all 66 books are mathematically created by God .

Does the Q'ran line up to this can it be scrutinised to prove it is from God?
God inspired Holy men to write what he dictated to them by The holy Spirit. Do Muslims have The Holy Spirit ,do they speak in God's language by The Holy Spirit ,the umblical cord to God ?

Have you seen people raised form the dead after being dead 3 days in Allahs' name we have proof today of people being raised from the dead in Jesus Name .
Can Muslims call on Mohammed and do this ?

If not it is an inferior religion anyway,who wants second or third best?
You can verify what I am on about by going to website for CFAN in Africa ,and read about the man killed in a car accident embalme dwith chemiclas ,sealed in a coffin and body bag for 3 days in heated place
and came back to lif eafter being in Paradise (heaven) also Ian Mc Cormick story (similar)from NZ and also website of David Hogan in South America for 25 years ,where over 330 people have been raised from the dead, you can view his videoes and see yourself. Do you need more proof ?
The Old is in the new concealed,The New is in the old revealed .(Bible) check it out .

I am not disputing religious practices or personal preference here.

My accusation of islam being “fraud” still stands. Unless you can prove to us beyond doubt that:

Allah Amkaru al Makireen Sura 3:54 (the deceiver of deceivers) is the same as Jehovah (God) of the bible who never changes His mind

So don’t give me answers like Allah means god in Arabic, therefore it’s the same thing. I want evidential proofs.

Until then any further discussion will prove meaningless.

It is obvious that you cannot understand Jesus’ divinity, the Trinity, his blood sacrifice etc… Since we are talking about two different Gods Two different revelations.

Salvation - according to God - is by faith in His Son Jesus Christ alone and not through “works” and religious practices. You are being deceived big time.

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WARNING: Islam is a false religion that attacks the heart of Christian beliefs: “Jesus”.

The price of “accommodating” Islam in our societies is extremely high - it goes against all that we stand and once fought and died for.

R0bert,

My demanding of FH, to come clean and answer some crucial questions regarding the validity of his religion, was in reference to him bluntly avoiding to answer them as he is in the habit of doing.

As for me not answering you may have been a slip of concentration – (I though I did answer you) - I don’t keep track of my posts – it’s easy to get side tracked…

Let me tell you from the onset that God is not only my God but everybody’s God including you, believers and non-believers alike. Wether you like to know/accept it or not.

Also the notion of polygamy being harmless is a contradiction in terms. You could argue that euthanasia, homosexuality, bi-sexuality, pornography, are OK if they don’t harm anyone and are performed by consenting adults. They are all departures from God’s intentions for His creation.

So from where I come from, God’s plan for humanity has always been that Marriage is between a man and a woman. Two (Not three or four) becoming one.

All biblical accounts of “polygamy” always incur dire consequences. Solomon became an idolater, David a murderer, etc… We all know what happened to Abraham when he took another wife…

So only Jesus (God) will judge people at the end.

Should “I” let people to the final judgement or do “I” interfere in their affairs?

Should I warn people of an incoming tsunami?

1. The rational is “love” and knowledge of the consequences.
2. I am not allowed to judge. Only God judges his creation.
3. My function as a Christian is to tell people the good news of their salvation in Christ Jesus.
4. Only if the person is a close friend – I would probably counsel him/her within the confides of our friendship; the aim is to redirect them to God’s way. There are many scriptural models for that.
5. I would definitely pray for them and for myself.

Free will allows people to make wrong choices.

Being away from God gives a false impression that (Insert sin here) is acceptable

Coach,
You stated earlier that "Muslims won't change" and about a week ago I asked you. what then? As yet no answer. Surely you do not find the present situation of non-integration acceptable. Have you no ideas or suggestions that may improve integration.

I also asked anybody else for suggestions and I'm amazed that none have been forthcoming. Is not the future well being of our community more important than arguing over nit picking issues of one religion verses another.

How can we improve integration between Muslims and non-Muslims?
Is the question too difficult? Surely some posters here have given the matter some thought. Why not try to get something positive out of this thread.

coach, thanks for the answer. I had the impression that you supported government restrictions on peoples lifestyles where they go against christain standards but if I've understood the content of that last post correctly that is not the case. If your approach is to not personally support some lifestyle choices but to leave the judgement for those choices till judgement day rather than in the hands of the courts then we're not so far apart on this.

banjo, I've posted some stuff in that vein before but can't remember how far back. I started putting together some bullet points and realised I'm to tired right now to make a job of it.

One thing I would desperately like to see is the anti-muslim mob back off on these threads so that we could start engaging more muslims in discussion about the issues. Being constantly under attack does not make for constructive discussion and I suspect that most won't even bother staying to cop the torrents of abuse.

I'd like to understand more of what muslims think are the issues rather than just the snippets I see on TV which are probably very selective. We are unlikely to get the least integrated muslims posting here but other muslims may have a better understanding than I have of the reasons for an apparent lack of integration by some.

R0bert