Different cultures, different values I guess.

But my generation, which went to school with the Vietnamese & Lebanese, it was white Anglo's who were the minority at schools, as they came here on mass. Of thirty in the class, two would be Anglo, about five Yugoslav, mabye another two or three from somewhere else in Europe, and the rest Vietnamese & Lebanese.

It annoys me when I hear about how people say they were picked on, everybody out west knows it's the other way 'round.

Racism these days is almost entirely suffered by Anglo's, indeed I recently took part in a HREOC initiative regarding racism. I believe I'm the first white to be included, and while my story was about twenty Lebanese bashing "skips" because they were "skips", and how police reports show how often the cops came up to our school, all the other stories were one off things like "I was called a wog".

Well, mate, if that is the worst you copped, you're in heaven. Going to a public school (I changed to a private boys school in year nine) as a minority white Anglo was a nightmare, with scores of Aussies being stabbed, beaten, threatened with pack rape. Even the principle had a gun held to his head by a Lebanese student, although THAT wasn't in Don Weatherburn's recent report into school violence!

It's a joke how much they hide it all, it really is.

Anyone interested in reading my story on racism, go to the HREOC website, the Voices project. You will have to download the 6MB file, mine is on page 47. It's well worth it, and I encourage all whites to come forward with their stories of racism to HREOC. It's the only way things will get done.

Although whites have had it ingrained in them from day one that we can't suffer racism, we need to get beyond that nonsense. It is us who cop it the most!

FH,

How can a religion that claims to confirm the previous religions be different?

Islam claims to be the completion of all religions - So how can a god that reveilled himself "personally" to his creation - becomes "unknowable again in isalm?

How can God give assurance of salvation then retracts from that and make "paradise" such unsure place to reach?

Jesus assured us salvation - why couldn't Mohammad do at least the same?

Why did mohammad revert to the jewish law when Jesus was the full completion of the law?

Why is it that the bible talks about the death, and resurrection of Jesus, and the Qur'an says it never happened?

How can the place called heaven is where we will see God face to face and your paradise is such an eathly brothel for men only?

It you say Allah (God ) is unknowable, how could he have breathed his spirit into Adam?

How can Mohammad represent Allah if he could never "know" him? Was he just a parrot for an unknown god?

Is it possible therefore that he was representing another spirit and not Allah?

Oh NO you must engage in these questions as our audience is waitnig for your answers. Take your time consult all your references but don't take the easy way out.

Islam is a fraud unless you can answer (ALL) my questions.

coach, interesting that you demand that others answer your questions when you don't make any kind of serious attempt to answer questions that you are uncomfortable with.

I've asked you a number of times to present the case for your belief that you should intefer in other peoples domestic arrangements when you claim that your god has left the issue until judgment day. So far no answer that addresses the question at all, just some rambling about free choice regarding accepting Jesus.

I'd really like to know if you have any rational for thinking you should/may intefer in other peoples lives or if it's just something you like to do.

I suggest that you take the consenting adults involved in polygamy (with no direct harm to others not in that "marriage") as an example, rather than looking for some case where there is clear harm to others or something which your god has clearly outlawed - less muddy.

I suspect thats its just a belief that you should be able to tell others how to live while without a clear rational.

R0bert

RObert and other pagan moslems and bleeding hearts: Please open your eyes and SEE - it's not difficult even for types like you! The nations that live in squalor, ruled by cruel corrupt dictatorships, nations that do bugger-all for other nations in times of crisis - except toss a few dollars to pagan moslems only. Nations which have NO! 'Care, Red Cross, Christian Blind Mission International, save-the-children' etc. etc. {who assist people of ALL religions,pagans and Christian}. Nations which have no or poorly rated universities,{None in the top 100 universities of the world}no decent teaching hospitals no music, no art, almost no sport, definately no female sports.Nations who execute "criminals?" in public. Nations who rape virgin female "criminals?" {some as young as seventeen} so they will not go to paradise {how bloody tribal,unthinkingly brutal as well as totally stupid and completely uncivilised and pagan}Yes that's right all followers of the "peaceful", loving pagan isalm-YES!all brutal pagan moslem nations.
Whereas on the other hand even nominal Christian nations help people, nations in distress. Even so-called nominal Christian nations have excellent universities, teaching hospitals,art and music as well as dance and sport.Even nominal Christian nations, in the main, are democratic and free. In these free nations the citizens religion is their business that is they are not executed or levied a special tax if they change. AGAIN - BY THEIR FRUITS YOU SHALL KNOW THEM! What are the fruits of pagan moslem nations? please look and tell us unless you are too stupid to see their fruits that is? numbat

It's good to see that certain types of Muslim are not the only ones who can rant and froth at the mouth when they feel no one is listening to them.

Interesting, you now move on to SE Asians because no one is listening to your rantings about Arabs and North Africans? Specifically bringing up a practise which is widely condemned even within that country, as well as outside it.

http://www.karamah.org/articles_quraishi.htm is an interesting article, for example.

I am interested in seeing the various responses to R0bert's question too.

“However, our Prime Minister goes as far as to use the word “assimilate” - a term I thought dropped off the map when we declared this a multicultural society.”
Multi-culti didn’t work, so assimilation is back on the map.

“When terms like “jihad” are thrown into a casual interview with a journalist by a person who probably knows as much about jihad as I know about being a Prime Minister, it makes you wonder why Islamic leaders aren’t approached for advice. Although a lot of them probably don’t speak much English, surely a translator is available…”
There is nothing “casual” about jihad. It is genuine concern to infidels world-wide.
Islamic leaders have not proved trustworthy.
Why don’t they speak English? What entitles them to be provided with interpreters?

“I am disappointed only because he is not doing a better of job of breaking down the stereotypes.”
It is the Muslims who are responsible for breaking down stereotypes, not the PM or any else.

“…the obligatory responses come out mentioning how Islam treats women, and that jihad does not mean a holy war to crush the infidel and so on.”
Obligatory? Apparently. Over-used? Very. Believable? Not.

“…regardless of what the Islamic tradition actually says…”
We’d rather heed what the Islamic tradition actually says. It’s called self-preservation.

“…usually via detention centres…”
That’s what happens when you enter a country illegally and usually without ID.

“…talk about jihad as though the ultimate aim is global domination...”
It is. We can read too.

“No doubt about it Mr Howard, some women are oppressed by the extremists you talk about, in many parts of the world…”
Not just “by the extremists”, but by those who adhere to the teachings of the Qur’an. You seem so casual about that. Marching in comfort and safety of Australia doesn’t exactly have a huge impact on the oppressors, does it?

How many teenage girls from any culture around the world can say they have had a similar experience?
Which proves what?