Just in reference to Numbats constant reference to Muslims as pagans:- most definition of a pagan make reference to those followers of polytheism - and most exclude quite explicitly Christianity, Judaism and Islamism - they are considered the three main religions of the world for better or worse.

The only conclusion I can draw is Numbat is either innocently mistaken or uses the term as an insult - but then insulting Islam is a sport on these pages.

And as for those who subscribe to the conspiracy theory that Muslims are shagging (within the sanctified union of marriage - lights off of course) their way to world domination, their poplation growth trend has slowed of late - although there was a spike post 9/11 in anticipation I guess of reprisals.

In Australia estimates put the muslimpopulatin at between 250-300 thousand, less than 2% of our population, most of these are home grown and the second biggest contributors are our frends from the Lebanon and Turkey, then it's Bosnia, and a few also rans.

So lets take a deep breath and put the potential threat Islamism has to us into perspective both in terms of being "run over" or blown up.

Lets be frank, football season is upon, the tests agaisnt RSA are about to start so there are better things to occupy our minds other than these flights of fancy about Islam.

sneekepete,

From your earlier post above:

"I have also undertaken a risk assesment in relation to the dangers associated with extreme Islamism and rank them with the prospects of me, or any one else not living in Iraq - as about the same as being taken by a shark in my lcoal swimming pool"

Well it depends which local pool and what day of the week.

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Today,

Same idiotic rubbish. Are you related to Scout by any chance?

I give you one point for consistency though.

Islam’s claim to monotheism does not exclude it from being an idolatrous religious movement.

Islam is riddled with Paganistic rituals – here’s a few:

Fasting.
Hajj (pilgrimage)
Stone worship (Ka’aba).
Circling and throwing stones at brick walls.
The Ka’aba itself was an idol base full of gods and statues for travellers well before mohammad appeared on the scene.

Allah is the god that Mohammad acquired to substantiate his hallucinatory claims to prophethood.

He then went all the way and equated Allah with the real God; promoting himself to a real prophet in the Judaic line (equal to Moses).

Two problems though:

1. Mohammad was not a Jew.

2. Jesus (700 years earlier) claimed to be FULL revelation and the Son of God; and the Fulfillment of all the prophets and the law.

Solution:

1. Make up a link toooo…Abraham. Yeah.

2. Declare Jesus’ death and resurrection as fraud… and demote him to mere prophet… stick a verse or two it in the “book” ….Voila! We have ourselves a new religion.

I would strongly suggest you continue to research and learn to differentiate…for Australia’s sake.

coach, you've finally proven the wrongness of Islam compared to your faith. Just a quick search of the holy book showed their dedication to the pagan ritual of fasting

Acts 13:2 While they were worshiping the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, "Set apart for me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them."

Matthew 6:16 When you fast, do not look somber as the hypocrites do, for they disfigure their faces to show men they are fasting.

Matthew 4:2 After fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry.
(That guy must have been really bad to fast for 40 days and nights)

Clearly this is a pagan religion given to fasting. There are other references but you get the point.

Some reports suggest that they nicked the Christmas celebration from an earlier religion as well.

Wait a second, that stuff is from the Bible and Christianity not the Quran and Islam. Anyway we all know that fasting and nicking religious observances from other religions clearly shows a false idol worshiping religion don't we? Thanks for helping us understand the evil ways of faiths which include fasting so much more clearly.

FH I'm having a joke with coaches list - just in case it is not obvious. This list is almost as good as the list on how to spot a mossie based on their liking for hotted up cars or 8 seater vans, picnics and other types of family gatherings etc.

R0bert

sneekeepete: There is one God that is the Creator God, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. This God through man wrote the Bible in this book, that many deride, are enough prophecies that have come to fruition for me to see that it is true [though there are many things I do not understand - yet!]. Now AFTER many prophecies especially those concerning Christ Jesus had come to pass. Then up jumps a clown from arabia - big mo - who claims that he has from a spirit being [there's only two types of spirit beings and one is God] a new book. This book corrects all the "falsehoods?" of the Old/New testaments. But most of the Biblical prophecies had already come to pass.
This same bloke described a paradise in where a male, especially if he has murdered innocent men, women and children,will have for himself some say 40 others 70 perpetual female virgins as well as 32 'pearls' or little perpetually untouched boys with bottoms like peaches or an X rated paradise fit for a ignorant tribal arab.
As I see it those who follow the Creator God are Christian ALL the others be they moslem. sikh, buddhists, confusionists etc, are follows of a false god or gods. These can be termed as pagans or heathens. No real insult intended it is just what they are - pagans.
Christianity has its faults and bad people but look around this globe and see where 99.99% of all inventions originated.Look around this globe and see where 98/99% of manufacturing is. Look around this globe and see where a 100% of charities that cater to everyone,even pagans,in the world are.Look around and see where the arts are - music, dance, paintings etc are. Then look again and see which countries are dictatorships, which countries are endemically corrupt, which countries kill and rape. Which countries are sordid messes. Then have a look at the top hospitals, universities etc - yes all in western Christian or nominally Christian nations.
As I have said before "by their fruits you shall know them" numbat

Pagan, an insult to Islam? Oh, uh I thought that was supposed to be a compliment. Yay pagans! They rule. Some of the best religions on the planet. Not given to all this our god is the only god and you stink kind of hatred.

Prophecies-pfft written after the fact, numbat-easy to do. You just like crying "EEvvill...Eevvill"-oh, hang on that's Abe Simpson...relative of yours?.

You should drop all the hatred-not good for you, proven to give high blood pressure, heart problems, diabetes, stroke, cancer and indigestion, insomnia-not to mention the bowel problems. Then again, excessive fear and the feeling that others are evil is also a symptom of a wide range of mental illnesses too.

there is something really funny about numbat misspeling confucianists as confusianists.

the last few posts by the bat and coach display an amazing level of "confusionism" about history, language and even their own religion.

most of the athiests on this form are less ignorant about the historical and theological basis of christianity than coach.

anyhoo.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/paganism.htm

seems numbat falls into the category of: "Pagan" as a general purpose "snarl" word to refer to cultures or religions that are very different from the speaker's.

e.g.

"Jerry Falwell appeared as a guest on Pat Robertson's "700 Club" program on 2001-SEP-13. He said that God became sufficiently angry at America that he engineered the terrorist attack on New York City and Washington-- presumably to send Americans a message. He said: "I really believe that the Pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians ...all of them who have tried to secularize America - I point the finger in their face and say 'you helped this happen.' " Pat Robertson responded: "Well, I totally concur..."

hey wow, does that mean that they believe the god was guiding the al qaieda terrorists? so when the terrorsits say they were doing god's will they were telling the truth? perhaps they shoulda thought this one through first (probably beyond them).