One Yabby’s codswallop that’s hard to swallow…doesn’t make anything either ROFL.

Methinks your imagination has run away from your reality again, Yabby… : )

Rather than believe in divine inspiration…you believe you are ‘darwinspired’…ROFL.

Now that’s credible?

Darwin has a ‘party till the last one drops’ philosophy…who are you to cast stones?

Love that BBQ steak…but I draw the line at butchering babies…you obviously can’t grasp the difference between human and animal life, not rocket-science. Lions eat other animals too…they are higher on the food chain…you don’t need darwin to work that one out…somewhat like bonobos and chimps in relation to their consuming public.

‘Yup, its about attitude to suffering Meg. The best attitude is
to see that its avoided as much as possible, by both people
and other species.’

So explain why you encourage the butchering of babies and physical and psychological pain and suffering to their mothers? Hypocrisy has to be your middle name…

Interestingly Dr Bernard Nathanson held up a foetus well below the 12 week age that you have nominated, Yabby…it was struggling for life in it’s tiny sac…very human and perfectly formed. (Ectopic pregnancy)

Your argument about brain development is nonsense…perhaps you are speaking from your own womb experiences?

Scientific evidence and anecdotal evidence supports the foetus’ reaction to stimuli at less than 12 weeks…

A human baby, is a human baby … is a human baby, at any stage or age.

If you slipped into a temporary coma during a diabetic state of hypoglycaemia…should you be ‘euthenased’? Your own assertions would kill you…hmmmm.

‘Few people in Holland are practising Catholics, Meg. Good
sex education and contraception is what its about.’

More nonsense…do you have weekly Church attendances in Holland?

Yes, the Catholic Church teaches ‘good sex education’ and the best method of ‘contraception’…natural family planning, so that BOTH partners share the responsibility and the outcomes of sex together…Catholics enjoy intimacy together, as the Creator intended.

Darwin’s private life isn’t something that bears thorough investigation however…given his theories, there are some quite revolting possibilities he’s opened up there…you and your ‘relatives’ again…

Yabby

If you haven't already heard about it, Robyn Williams has a new book out: "Unintelligent Design".

Using all the richness of the scientific and natural worlds, Robyn Williams takes on the stalking monster in a short, wicked and witty debunk of ID.

Why make the earth, the solar system, our galaxy and all the rest, he asks, when the Garden of Eden was all that was needed? And then there's lifespan. During long periods of human history, the life expectancy of men was a mere 22 years and children were lucky to toddle, let alone grow up. Why the waste?

It doesn't explain why the religious want to dump their beliefs on the rational, but I think you will enjoy it anyway - you deserve enlightened entertainment.

Yabby,

I have been a practicing catholic for more than 40 years. I have experienced some amazing things and I can tell you it has nothing to do with evolution. All I can say is you can remain angry and bitter or you can start exploring the divine. This is what makes us truly human.

On the point of abortion, am I to understand that because you believe babies in the womb don’t feel pain then it is OK to kill them?

The Catholic Church is made up of people and people make mistakes including abuse of power.

I have met people in Opus Dei over the last 5-10 years and they are some of the most genuine people I have ever met. Your explanation of them is very narrow and predictable.

You know it's very easy to go with the crowd. Over the last 200 hundred years science has tried to smother Religion and philosophy. I'm not sure why. Evolution is still a theory. The Vatican certainly has no problem with the concept of evolution or science generally.

Read about the lives of the saints. Very inspiring stuff.

Yabby if there is no Divine, what created the big bang and what is the point to anything?

Scout, I will look for that book, next time I visit an ABC bookshop.
Sounds like just up my alley. Thanks!

CC, why should I be angry or bitter? To me, I am simply better
informed and less gullible then you or Meg :) I am sure that there
are some nice people in the Catholic Church, that does not mean
that they are not deluded.

Science has explained things, which religion tried and got it all
wrong. Cholera was not caused by sin after all, people were not
possessed by devils, they suffered from epilepsy. etc. etc.
People have become less gullible, by being better educated and
informed. They least religious are biologists. They also happen
to have the best understanding of evolution theory.

Your questions call for a God of the gaps, to feel better, by
feeling certainty. Some things we don't yet know, due to lack
of evidence. Why not wait for more evidence, rather then jump
to conclusions by accepting the word of snake oil salesmen?
The point of life is what you make it to be. Like leaving it
a better place, for the next generation, or whatever.

Meg, as a housewife, you perhaps do not understand the difference
between a zygote, an embryo, a foetus and a baby. They are not one
and the same. Educate yourself please.

A piece of muscle tissue, hung on a piece of wire, struck by
lightning, will respond to stimulation. That does not make it a
thinking or feeling person, with a functioning brain.

We know all about brain development from Science. Educate yourself
please.

Yes I have Church attendances in Holland, somewhere on this computer.
I've published the URL before. The Catholic Church does not matter
in Holland.

Yabby,

You have not responded to any of my points. You should really educate yourself. Read Bernard Nathanson's book (thanks Meg). You have a very closed mind. You sound like an angry uni student. I'm not sure why. You know, a hallmark of maturity is to be open minded. There are some wonderful things about the Catholic Church and its traditions like the Marian apparitons. You make it sound like a conspiracy, which it is clearly not. An institution does not last for more than 2000 years if it does not have substance. Surely you can see that. Many scientists do!

Once again, on the point of abortion, am I to understand that because you believe babies in the womb don’t feel pain then it is OK to kill them?

Yabby, open your mind. Your external life depends on this!

Scout…if children didn’t live past toddler-stage…where did the ‘men’ come from?…your judgement is clouded by imagination.

You’ve slipped from darwin to an …actor to ‘inspire’ and ‘guide’ your way…aim higher……………….’enlightened’?..........…ROFL : ))

Robyn Williams can act, but is not expert in the sciences or life-choices…’short, wicked and witty’…that’s Robyn…come-in-spinner, how gullible?…buy his book, so now he’s a WEALTHY writer, too! Noting today’s foray into international media, drugs-and-alcohol continue to dominate his life…and likely influenced his ‘expert’ opinion.

Examine the title of the book…“Unintelligent Design”…perhaps he’s having a shot at your gullibility too, Scout?

While we’re examining the ‘rational’…buying books and blindly following disciples-of-drugs‘n’alcohol to justify your own life choices…doesn’t make them right and won’t give you peace…only one ‘book’ will.

Why would God create so much beauty, far above what’s necessary…inspiring us to aim high?…perhaps because he loves us and wants us to have it all!

Why create us at all? Why give us free will to choose to do good or mess-up? Why? His eternal, unending love…

If you examine history and science…vast numbers of those who played significantly beneficial roles in either history or science were Catholic…cures for numerous ailments, magnificent use of their talents to inspire or benefit others…curious-you-can’t-credit-those?

Perhaps believing in a higher power inspired them to realise their worth and ability…to aim for the sky rather than sink to the depths and inflict evil and harm on others. Killing others – born or unborn will be historically judged like Hitler is…or Pol Pot…

A man is no less human as a baby or a foetus.

Compassionate Catholic's right…if lack of pain sensors justifies killing…would you anaesthetise all criminals or those poor, black African children you’ve such a problem with…and then euthanize them all…you’re creating a dangerous precedence here…would Yabby and Scout be safe either?

Yabby, patronising ‘housewives’ is typically narrow-minded of you. My education and involvement in the work-force, voluntary and paid is ongoing. I however consider my role as a wife and mother as a priority, clearly incomprehensible to one in your position…

…interesting how sad-and-bitter is invariably attributed to you by other posters…