Yabby et al,

The point I was trying to make, which I thought was rather interesting is that, in the case of Mike Willisee's findings the skeptics are the frauds.

There has been plenty of criticism about what Mike did but not one skeptic has independently tested the results. This suggests to me that, at least some skeptics behave like zealots and refuse to open their minds to the possibility of God.

Now if you open your mind to the possibility of God then subjects like abortions can be viewed in an entirely different light. The rights of the unborn do become important.

God Bless

CC, skeptics certainly are open minded to anything. Their point
is, thousands of people every day make all sorts of weird and
wonderful claims, about all sorts of things. In Science
today, if you make a claim, its up to you to provide the
substantiated evidence. The larger the claim, the more evidence
you will need to prove your claim.

Think about it, if you look at history, there have been claims
for thousands of gods, hundreds of holy books, every day
somebody somewhere claims to be Jesus reincarnated etc.
So far nobody has come up with any substantiated evidence.
God is free to write his rules on the moon for all to see,
then we'll all take notice :)

Perhaps the laws of nature can be seen as god, not the god
that you were indoctrinated with as a child. Perhaps
you can open your mind, to beyond what your church teaches.

In fact, if we look at history, when we do ignore the laws
of nature, every time it eventually lands up at our peril.

What James Randi did was put up 1 million $ and anyone
who can prove any supernatural claim can claim the prize.
So far nobody has claimed it.

If you go back to understanding Catholic contraception
and abortion dogma, it comes down to 1 verse in the OT
about some so called holy sperms, the rest is just Catholic
philosophy, no more. So it has no more validity then any
other philosophy. Thats fine for Catholics, but don't force
it down everyone elses throats, thats the point.

Well stated, Compassionate Catholic...

Once again Yabby has proved his ignorance and arrogance...no argument to support his statements or any rational response to others arguments, just more petulant posturing.

'You clearly don't like to hear the truth about'... sceptics...Yabby... 'So its try and shoot the messenger. But reality
won't go away, when you close your eyes and wish it would!'

The KKK 'used to have' ...black African slaves in Mississippi 'burned at the stake. They can't do that any more. Yipppeeeeeee :)'

...or they murdered them in other ways...sometimes tearing them limb from limb, even crushing their skulls...sadly, Yabby you still support doing that to the unborn - black and white, today!

...I wonder if, given a decade or two, history will judge anti-lifers in the same manner and as harshly as the KKK is judged today? <(o_o)>

Few Catholics have supported 'burning at the stake' however, ALL the KKK supported burning at the stake, brutality and killing of black Americans as if they were lesser human beings...

...much as you have described black African babies on other threads...even lesser beings than bonobos and chimps, in your eyes.

ALL anti-lifers too support the brutal dismembering of the unborn as acceptable...as if the unborn are less human or less important in the scheme of things, inconvenient or disposable...their only reason for such a fate...

If you were as intelligent as you like to think you are Yabby, you'd be promoting a knowledge of your own sexuality and the maturity to take responsibility for your own actions...instead of supporting killing off the evidence as the only solution.

"The KKK 'used to have' ...black African slaves in Mississippi 'burned at the stake. They can't do that any more. Yipppeeeeeee :)"

Well Meg, in that case the KKK and Catholic Church have lots in
common! They both have history of burning people.

Wrong again Yabby...you have a serious problem with reading and comprehension...as I wrote, while few Catholics had involvement in burning anyone...ALL the KKK and ALL anti-lifers share the same abhorrent support of tearing apart and dismembering other human beings...for essentially the same perverse reasons...they regard them as lesser beings than themselves...

'Few Catholics have supported 'burning at the stake' however, ALL the KKK supported burning at the stake, brutality and killing of black Americans as if they were lesser human beings...

...much as you have described black African babies on other threads...even lesser beings than bonobos and chimps, in your eyes.

ALL anti-lifers too support the brutal dismembering of the unborn as acceptable...as if the unborn are less human or less important in the scheme of things, inconvenient or disposable...their only reason for such a fate...'

Again you confirm your incapacity for rational argument or any desire to produce facts...your only contribution to date is in dubiously attempting to justify your own actions or desires...

...because those actions or desires fall short of the teachings of the Catholic Church...you flail and abuse and unleash your wrath in the vain hope that the Church will alter its teachings to suit your own lifestyle.

...of course your own words may be the ones that come back to bite you on your proverbial, ___ Yabby...nature is indeed an exacting accountant...we are already seeing chromosomal changes in the nature of man...and there are indications that more anomalies are to follow..

Yabby,

I've got to say I am really disappointed. I thought I was having a discussion with someone who can provide intelligent comment in response to a very interesting situation that is worthy of investigation.

You know, I listen to all your comments and I do take them seriously. All I seem to get from you is pretentious and arrogant "angry young man" streams of consciousness.

You trivialised Mike Willisee's work, which I thought was pretty poor. 28 million people saw the show and that was only in the US. He applied rigourous methods, made the offer to the skeptics to challenge his work, and no one came forward.

What Mike has done is very admirable. He started out as a skeptic but genuinely wanted to pursue something of immense importance and as a result his life has been change.

Yabby, there is a lot of pain in the world and it can mostly be attributed to greed, abuse of power etc. Life is confusing and a lot it does not make sense.

I can tell you with great confidence that when someone opens their heart to God positive changes occur.

Please thinks about this.

God Bless