Well Meg1 at least you have enough grip on reality to know that abortion won't go away.

But you are still in denial with regard to human nature.

You state: "most of us manage to live our lives not only taking responsibility for our own actions, sexual included"

You mean like Tony Abbott?

;-) Yes, being facetious.

Unlike you I believe women faced with unwanted pregnancies need support not judgement.

Read over all your posts Meg; all you do is judge others. I believe you are entitled not to have an abortion and to adopt out if that is what you want to do. That is your right.

You do not have the right to force women to have babies against their will. That is dogma.

Scout, Tony Abbott is an example of someone taking responsibility for his own actions…he was prepared to, very publicly - he was not the father of the young man…in case you missed that point.

Pro-lifers take responsibility for their own actions and sometimes the actions of another, they don’t ask their child to sacrifice their life instead.

RE: abortion won’t go away and being in denial about human nature…try re-reading the post…

‘Scout – wishin’n’hopin won’t make abortion go away, more self-lessness and self-discipline will… If there is sufficient support and encouragement to do so – most of us manage to live our lives not only taking responsibility for our own actions, sexual included…but also helping others who for whatever reason, need additional support to do so.’

‘Unlike you I believe women faced with unwanted pregnancies need support not judgement.’ Scout again try to read the post, not write your script regardless of its relevance…

…’Scout asks ‘perhaps you could afford some support for women faced with an unwanted pregnancy.’ YES SCOUT, I COULD AND I DO. It is interesting that of the support organizations to help women through difficulties in pregnancy and indeed to cope after abortions…it is the pro-life organizations who provide them, including the Churches…not the anti-lifers who claim to support women and their choices.”

The anti-lifers aren’t the ones setting up support networks for these women and their children, the pro-lifers are…

But BREAKING NEWS!…the money’s not lucrative enough from RU486, so the drug companies aren’t going to import it…and the significant risk associated with the drug is an issue with them too!

As for being judgmental Scout, I repeat again: “…also helping others who for whatever reason, need additional support to do so. That’s the society the Christian Churches aim to encompass…despite human imperfections we keep trying…and we’ll be there to offer the same to each of you too, should you need it.”

Who was judging Tony Abbott, Scout?

RE: Dogma – a body of doctrines authoritatively affirmed; belief.

A dictionary may help your difficulty with the meaning of words and inappropriate use of same.

Meg1, Oh dear.

“Col, mjpb has fully answered re: Catholic priests”

I have a small problem. On this thread, I see no posts by mjpb.

Talk about making things up Meg1!

How is that for blocking debate Meg1, claim someone has answered a point when they have not even made a posting on the thread.

Or maybe you saw it on another thread in another forum or maybe you just thought no one would check out your lies?

And the conduct of the Catholic church, as exercised by its priests is of significant relevance to this thread when it is the Catholic church which is behind a lot of the political lobbying to ban abortion and inflict the edicts of the Pope onto this secular society.

So Meg1, when it comes to “discrediting” ones own posts, I would suggest, making up lies about who else has actually posted is the most “discreditable” action possible.

You are quite deluded if you think you can get away with such perversions of the truth – but then again, such dishonesty is nothing compared to what the Roman Catholic Church (and most other organised religious institutions) has been doing it for centuries, in the name of its own omnipotence.

COLD COMFORT is all one as dogmatic as Meg1 can offer a pregnant woman.

I am, for one, much relieved that you were not around when I had an abortion many years ago as a result of a violent and abusive husband. I have been able to completely break my ties from this poor excuse of a man and move on with my life. I often wonder if I would even have a life if I had continued with my pregnancy. I was most certainly at risk.

Interesting how you rush to support Tony Abott - surely you must disapprove of his promiscuous ways? You have lectured the rest of us on abstinence and sexual behaviour. Could Abbott's attempt to control an abortifacient explain your extraordinary tolerance towards this man? Rhetorical question. Not looking for response.

Because, the simple fact is this. I am happy for you to believe whatever you want and, as such, you should extend the same right to me. Otherwise you are being dogmatic.

:-)

“Col, mjpb has fully answered re: Catholic priests” and your invective. Posted by mjpb, Monday, 20 February 2006 6:15:54 PM, Posted by mjpb, Tuesday, 21 February 2006 9:45:03 AM and Posted by mjpb, Wednesday, 22 February 2006 3:32:45 AM, again in further posts on: http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=4145
Try to stick to the truth, Col. Surely it is not too difficult for you to see the relevance between two threads on RU486 and abortion, although with the irrelevant red herrings randomly introduced about chimps, Churches and sexual fantasies, etc. perhaps it is understandable you may have lost track of the subject.

‘the most “discreditable” action possible’ is judgmental accusations and lies that you know to be untrue…you’ve fallen on your own sword, Col. Let me help you up.

To use your own phrase, ’You are quite deluded if you think you can get away with such perversions of the truth’ – can’t argue with that, pity you’ve been caught out again, huh?

Scout, you've raised your own situation. I wasn't living with that violent, abusive man, so I don't pretend to appreciate the fear for your own safety or perhaps that of your unborn child. Others too have faced that fear in many ways. My argument is that to offer only the killing of a child to any woman as the ‘solution’ to her life’s problems is a cruel and unacceptable punishment for both – and not a solution to the problems that the woman remains with.

To kill a child, also an innocent victim in the case, will simply add additional trauma to the list of problems.

The violent and abusive husband remains and you were still forced to make the decision to remain or leave him, as you chose to do. The ‘solution’ then was to leave, not the abortion. As for getting your life back, that just isn’t possible. Good and bad alike makes us as we are and life can’t go back to where hindsight has us wish to be.

Surely the ideal would have been to have another option, to leave with the assistance of financial and emotional support, without the abortion. That is the option all women ought to have, first.

Capital punishment is not even given to the perpetrators of the most heinous crimes in this country, only our unborn and we ask the mothers to be judge and jury, telling them it’s their ‘choice’ – then society wipes its collective hands and ignores the real need…it doesn’t seem so compassionate in the real light of day, does it?

Whatever Tony Abbott’s imperfections, he alone knows the truth also…I do not judge him, nor you. If the act is wrong, he knows it and will be judged by his atonement for that wrong by his Creator, not by me.

RE: Dogma – a body of doctrines authoritatively affirmed; belief.

Nobody can force you to believe Scout, knowledge opens the door to let us believe what we know to be truth…the key is to search out the knowledge until you find it. Good Luck! : )