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What now that West Papuans got under our guard? : Comments

By Tony Kevin, published 25/1/2006

Tony Kevin argues Australian authorities will be outraged by the achievement of the 43 West Papuan refugees.

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To Mr Proud to be an Indonesian.

Thank you for offering us a happy Australia Day, and may the Indonesian people continue to expand eastwards as you have done for thousands of years, subjugating the black primitives that are sorely in need of civilisation and efficient government. The white race used to do that sort of thing ourselves once but it has gone out of fashion.

Your figures detailing Indonesian economic gains were impressive. Makes me wonder why Australia donated $1 billion dollars to Indonesia when that tsunami wave hit Aceh when you don’t need our aid at all. That is the funny thing about us white people these days. We prefer to help everybody else in the world instead of our own poor people. Did you know that people in mental health institutions in Australia have ration scales less than convicted criminals?

As for Chapelle Corby, despite what a lot of noisy lefties say, I think that most people in Australia consider that she had a fair trial. We get a lot of Vietnamese people coming into Australia carrying heroin and they always say the same thing as Corby when they get caught. But nobody believes them and they are all convicted, where our legal system gives them a slap on the wrist. Australians prefer to let 1000 Australians die of heroin overdoses every year rather than put to death a few Vietnamese who are mass murdering our own people. Our own legal system is a joke. Did you know that in Australia a shopkeeper can be charged with “assault” if he attacks a thief robbing his shop?

Now I know that Indonesia is sore at Australia for fighting you during your konfrontasi with Malaysia. But don’t worry. If Indonesia wants Malaysia now you can have it. No Australian would lift a finger to help such a bunch of Australia bashing ingrates again. Please invade Malaysia again any time you please.
Posted by redneck, Monday, 30 January 2006 4:36:48 AM
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Realist wrote" saying timor is a worthless piece of real estate is silly. They have wonderful natural resources i wont even begin to mention. Oil being one.

Have you got listings of Indo land in your Logan office?
Posted by Rainier, Monday, 30 January 2006 9:51:28 AM
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Philo,

I appreciate your concern for your friends, but we have to take into account 20 million Australians and many more ordinary Indonesians. Sabre rattling at Indonesia is simple not a good idea for far too many people who are not harming anyone.

If that useless organization, the UN, got off its backside and investigated the problem there could be no objection. Unfortunately, even thought it is run by a Third Worlder and 57% staffed by Third Worlders who are supposed to know all about colonialism, need and barbarity, they don't appear to be interested once they obtain their UN sinecures.

I believe in human dignity, but there is no way in the world that Australia will become involved in Indonesian affairs. Whether or not we think Indonesia has any rights over West Papua, they obviously think they have.

It is my understanding that the Indonesian takeover of West Papua after the Dutch left was with the agreement of Papuan leaders, supervised by the UN. I also know that some unidentified people have been reported as saying it was a 'sham'. Who knows? Either way, only government's can take responsibility for foreign policy, and the rest of us just have to hope for the best result.

On 18 August, 2005., A report from the University of Sydney entitled "Genocide in West Papua" claiming the death of 100,000 people over 30 years was presented at Parliament House. Since then, no further mention of the report, so it is unlikely that the fate of 43 living Papuans will be enough for Australia or the UN to take any action for them or their compatriots.
Posted by Leigh, Monday, 30 January 2006 10:16:01 AM
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Leigh,
The native people of West Papua would have no problem with being Indonesian if Indonesia respected them as human beings with equal rights.

The thing is - most of the native population are Christian and this puts them at odds with the Indonesian Government and Army who being typical Muslim despise these people as less than human. This Muslim army treat them as part of their jihad. That justifies their murder of dissidents and rape of the women.

This was the problem in East Timor a majority Catholic country; the army could massacre these people because they were not Muslim. Most of my friends want to stay in Indonesia because of greater opportunities in the type of work they do. Many of them are university trained so have degrees from Indonesian universities.

My nephew did his military training in Duntroon while Australia was still training Indonesian military. These young men from Indonesia were staunch Muslims and did not enter the usual after training booze and activities of the local lads. Neither did my nephew so he got to spend his time with these boys from Indonesia. They just enjoyed the power of holding a gun and dominating a scene. They have no people skills to encourage dissenters they are there for the protection of all citizens. They demonstrate they are there for their murder if they dissent.

Imagine if the Australian army moved through the country shooting everyone who wanted a Republic. I would think we would soon have a strong Republican movement form that wanted to suceed from the present Government
Posted by Philo, Monday, 30 January 2006 8:26:14 PM
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To Philo.

If separatist religious terrorists waged a war against the Australian people demanding "liberation" or a separate state, in violent acts which were serious enough to involve the military, the Australian Army probably would run around shooting those terrorists and their supporters.

And that scenario is probably just a matter of time anyway in our increasingly divided society.
Posted by redneck, Tuesday, 31 January 2006 6:57:06 PM
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I spoke tonight to a mate of mine who lived in West Papua for 29 years and he has not been able to contact friends this last week as there is a complete lock down on telephone, internet, fax etc into the country. It is obvious Indonesia is doing a complete cleansing of all contact with Australia since the defection of the refugees into Australian waters.

Whatever is happening does not seem good in my opinion. There could be another East Timor happening from the tone of PTBI.
Posted by Philo, Tuesday, 31 January 2006 9:29:54 PM
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